Saturday, April 26, 2008

A ghoulish hyena rants

A long post I'm afraid...

I’m posting this by way of response to an increasingly turgid thread of comments underneath one of
Lord Patel’s recent posts

This exchange is part of what is, on a national scale, a storm in a teacup but what is in the corner of the Internet I inhabit a significant flurry of activity which has coincided with the current round of terror show trials taking place in the UK

The Wrath of Khan
aka
How to report a video of a man telling his baby daughter to be strong before he travels overseas as evidence of him ‘grooming’ her to be a terrorist before exploding himself in London


The thread in question is punctuated by a series of anonymous comments which set out to put us Conspiraloons in our place by the devastating, original and side-splittingly funny combination of -
  • Calling us mad
  • Talking about tinfoil hats a lot
  • Putting words in our mouths and telling us what we believe
  • And, er, some more really hysterical stuff about tinfoil hats
...possibly all part of some cunning plan to rid the world of (unofficial) 'conspiracy theorists' by boring us all to death

though, peculiarly, anonymong forgets to mention that we are all nazi racists – which appears to be the meme of month. A simple oversight I’m sure

Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t spend any more time than I already have responding to this stuff. The poster in question is unlikely to undergo a Damascene conversion to my worldview and he’s not providing any useful insights that would allow me to scrutinise and maybe consider modifying it

Tedious shit like this is a common occurrence on the Internet and Life is just too plain fucking short

However, as I mentioned, there’s other stuff going on at the moment and one particular group of citizen researchers over at J7T must be doing something right as so many other groups - the BBC, do nothing Leftie bloggers, 9/11 debunkers and even many 9/11 UK 'Truthers' are attempting to distract their efforts and smear them using some of the cheapest tricks you're ever likely to see

The most popular cheap trick seems to be trying to associate us with fringe or extremist characters with questionable or repugnant views.

In particular, one character over at the 9/11 UK forum cut and pasted some tired old holocaust revisionist material, published it in his own name, started pissing in the pool of 7/7 research, gave interviews to a BBC production team doing a conspiracy theorist debunking piece and then acted all surprised when things started to go tits up on him

The guy’s either a self-destructive tool or some kind of shill and in no way representative of the 7/7 sceptics I align myself with. A man with his views could have just as easily been found supporting the Official Narrative of 7/7 and promoting Protocols of the Elders Islam style bullshit. Anyone who pretends otherwise is being intellectually dishonest

Another group of characters ‘debunkers’ attempt to associate me and my kind with is the UFO, Alien, Tinfoil Hat brigade

Again, an intellectually dishonest ploy which indicates that the people employing it at least subconsciously realise that they’re talking crap and are forced to put words in our mouths and beliefs in our heads that they are capable of arguing against and which we have no interest in defending

It is a very strange, surreal feeling indeed trying to debate with someone who persistently tells you what you believe and then starts ranting, all foamy-mouthed, against it.




There’s also something quite sinister, and Stalinist, about someone repeatedly referring to you as being mentally ill for having beliefs they disagree with


A recent self-portrait


In the comment thread which prompted this post, reference is made to the Conspiraloon Alliance blog a few of us set up the last year. The intention of the blog was to demonstrate that some of us at least are capable of exercising critical thinking to nonsense conspiracy bollocks as well as official narratives. A capacity for unblinkered, self-corrective thought which is evidently lacking in those who abuse us. This has occasionally resulted in some delightfully confused ‘truth seekers’ and debunkers alike stumbling onto our site and getting completely the wrong end of the stick.

(Something similar may have happened on my Elvis post earlier this week. I’m not sure if it was a joking friend or a critic but someone pulled me up for getting the background and the fake timestamp on my fake photo wrong. Er, no I didn’t, it was a parody of the Luton CCTV image and thanks for bowling me such an easy ball in the comments. I do hope it was a genuine critic - misplaced intellectual arrogance is one of my favourite spectator sports)

Polarising debate about how the world works into two mutually exclusive, all encompassing camps – one of which believes that there are no conspiracies, the other which believes any old shite Icke or Shayler come out with is a false dichotomy and disenfranchises the vast majority of people who do give a damn about what’s going on in the world

We Conspiraloons are neither with You nor against You. We totally reject Your false choice bullshit.

Much of this nonsense I attribute to the frailties of human nature, not deliberate disinformation. There’s a turf war for people’s minds going on out there and the numbers of people who view the world in the kind of way I do is growing and very few, if any people, will turn back once they’ve adopted that new paradigm.

This, I suspect, is alarming some people. Some people in authority but also some people who believe that only they know the One True Truth and that anyone who does not yield to their Truth, and their authority must be insane scum

This turf war involves all sorts of characters – some of whom are the same kind of mockney, donkey dick jacket wearing, middle class leftie tossers I first met at university; affecting the mannerisms and airs of a class of people they fundamentally despise.

"Hello, we're Left Wing don't you know'

Others are parapolitical dinosaurs who still haven’t quite caught up with the impact of the Internet and miss the days when their turgid but beloved newsletters were one of the few sources of alternative news and views. I mention that second small group,
as typified by this site, because I suspect the anonymous commentator on Lord P’s blog hails from that sad, lonely, tumbleweed-infested corner of Infospace


Notes from a Ghost Town


If you look outside of the English speaking world a large number of people already think the way we Conspiraloons do. They’ve had their countries and lives comprehensively fucked by the interests and forces I believe are at work here in Europe and the US. They know who the real lunatics, racists and nazis are and the games those bastards play

The bottom line is that the people I stand with, imperfect and fallible as we all are, at least try be honest. Many of those who stand against us patently don't

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A parting thought…

Whilst I was discussing the recent round of abuse and smearing that has been directed our way with fellow loons, someone mentioned that the most memorable insult they’d received was the accusation that they were a…


Now the thing is, I’ve met this ghoulish hyena in the flesh and that person is the least ghoulish, least hyena-like individual you’d could possibly imagine

And I was reminded of the public execution of John Charles de Menezes

From the day it happened it was clear that official statements about what happened were untrue and were subsequently shown to be untrue – as demonstrated by this cringefest of a Muppet outside Stockwell Tube faithfully parroting everything she had been told to believe…



and we still haven’t the faintest idea what really happened – surveillance tapes from JCdM’s home and Stockwell have been disappeared, the executioners and the witnesses who made misleading statements to the press immediately after the shooting have not appeared in court, no explanation has been given for chasing the train driver down a tunnel and holding a gun to his face, and so on

On top of that, I haven’t forgotten the establishment-promoted smears that were heaped on de Menezes' still-warm corpse after his execution

He was definitely linked to terrorists. He was running (sic.) because he had a hooky visa. He was coked up. He was an accused rapist…

So, who are the hyenas who are shitting on the graves of the dead again?

I shit on all of you

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edit: and cheers to Alex Fear for reminding me of this peculiar little Damones-esque clip from The Bourne Ultimatum...




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20 comments:

anonymous said...

I am Antiloon

I am Anon

I am right and you are wrong

I am the Earth to your Loon

I hope you spin off someday soon

I cannot ignore you for one day

In orbit it seems we must remain

For I need you to be me

Without this symbiosis

Life, existence, could not be

Why upon me must your light be shone?

Why must you have this draw for me?

What would I do if you were gone?

Who would pull my tides so strong?

Seemingly I must with you disagree

My hated sole purpose to be

And yet I hate you Loon

Why must you never desist?

I stand, scream, and shake my fist!

I need you, Loon, is the truth you see

And yet I don't think you need me

I love you Loon, but secretly

Stef said...

let me guess what tune I should be singing that to

Lady in Red seems to work

kind of

Stef said...

I'm wrong aren't I

Bob Dylan said...

He sits in your room
his tomb
with a fist full of tacks
preoccupied with his vengeance

Cursing the dead
that can't answer him back
I'm sure that he has no intentions
of looking your way
unless it's to say
that he needs you to test
his inventions

can you please come crawl out your window
use your arms and legs it won't ruin you
how can you say he will haunt you
you can go back to him any old time you want to

he looks so truthful
is this how he feels?
trying to peel the moon
and expose it

with his businesslike anger
and his bloodhounds that kneel
if he needs a third eye
he just grows it
he just needs you to talk
or to hand him his chalk
or pick it up after he throws it

can you please crawl out your window
use your arms and legs it won't ruin you
how can you say he will haunt you
you can go back to him any ol' time you want to

why does he look so righteous
while your face is so changed
are you frightened of the box
you keep him in

while his genocide fools
and his friends rearrange
their religion of little tin women
that backs up their views
but your face is so bruised
come on out
the dark is beginning

can you please come crawl out your window
Use your arms and legs
it won't ruin you
how can you say he will haunt you
you can go back to him any time you want to

you got a lotta nerve to say that you are my friend
if you won't crawl out your window...

Anonymous said...

it's more your bog standard poem thingy, but I think I should have read it one more time before posting it, here's the v2.0:

I am Antiloon

I am Anon

I am right and you are wrong

I am the Earth to your Loon

I hope you spin off someday soon

I cannot ignore you for one day

In orbit it seems we must remain

For I need you to be me

Without this symbiosis

Life, existence, could not be

Why upon me must your light be shone?

Why must you have this draw for me?

What would I do if you were gone?

Who would pull my tides so strong?

Seemingly I must with you disagree

The sole reason for my being

And yet I hate you Loon

Why must you never desist?

I stand, scream, and shake my fist!

I need you, Loon, is the truth you see

And yet I don't think you need me

I love you Loon, but secretly

Jarvic C. said...

Well did you hear, there’s a natural order.
Those most deserving will end up with the most.
That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top,
Well I say: Shit floats.
If you thought things had changed,
Friend you’d better think again,
Bluntly put in the fewest of words,
Cunts are still running the world,
Cunts are still running the world.

Now the working classes are obsolete,
They are surplus to societies needs,
So let ‘em all kill each other,
And get it made overseas.
That’s the word don’t you know,
From the guys thats running the show,
Lets be perfectly clear boys and girls,
Cunts are still running the world,
Cunts are still running the world.

Oh feed your children on Cray fish and Lobster tails,
Find a school near the top of the league,
In theory I respect your right to exist,
I will kill ya if you move in next to me,
Ah it stinks, it sucks, it’s anthropologically unjust,
But the takings are up by a third, Oh So
Cunts are still running the world,
Cunts are still running the world.

Your free market is perfectly natural,
Or do you think that I’m some kind of dummy,
It’s the ideal way to order the world,
Fuck the morals, does it make any money?
And if you don’t like it? Then leave.
Or use your right to protest on the street,
Yeah, use your rights but don’t imagine that it’s heard, Oh no no,
Cunts are still running the world,
Cunts are still running the world.

Stef said...

it's more your bog standard poem thingy, but I think I should have read it one more time before posting it, here's the v2.0:

I still reckon Chris de Burgh could do wonderful things with it

Stef said...

and good as it is I think that little ditty is a little unfair wrt matey anonymong

after all, he has indicated that he believes that if not working directly for, we are doing the work of MI6 by distracting people from the KLA drugs connection cover-up with all our professed scepticism about the tWoT Official Narrative

though the reasons why the two are mutually exclusive are left tantalisingly unexplained

so it's not conspiracy theories which are the problem, it's wrong kind of conspiracy theories

the closet, self-hating loons are the worst...

Wolfie said...

"someone repeatedly referring to you as being mentally ill for having beliefs they disagree with..."

This sort of behaviour is becoming very prevalent, shit even at work the casual response to a differing strategy is rage and insults.

Stef said...

and having some idea of your business a confident fiver says it's not going to get any better over the next few months

Anonymous said...

I have noticed this a lot in recent years. People seem to respond to non mainstream views in a peculiarly similar pavlovian way. The tinfoil hat one in particular has become a bit of a meme. My question is, how did this conditioning happen? When did it happen?

Stef said...

depicting dissenters as being insane is as old as the hills

the deal right now is that, because of the net, and because some flagrant, disgraceful objectives are being pursued on the international stage, there are a lot more of us so the smearing and bullshit has to be correspondingly ramped up

is it deliberate?

certainly at least partly

there's no way anyone is going to prove that a few people sat down in the Tavistock Institute and set about creating a meme

but now that meme does exist fuckers will turn to it naturally as an obvious alternative to dealing with the real causes of peoples' dissent

Anonymous said...

"there's no way anyone is going to prove that a few people sat down in the Tavistock Institute and set about creating a meme"

which made me think of the book I'm currently reading.

In the introduction, it says, "Why Study Semiotics?"

"... We learn from semiotics that we live in a world of signs and we have no way of understanding anything except through signs and the codes into which they are organized. Through the study of semiotics, we become aware that these signs and codes are normally transparent and disguise our task in reading them. Living in a world of increasingly visual signs, we need to learn that even the most realistic signs are not what they appear to be. By making more explicit the codes by which signs are interpreted, we may perform the valuable semiotic function of denaturalizing signs. This is not to suggest that all representations of reality are of equal status - quite the contrary. In defining realities signs serve ideological functions. Deconstructing and contesting the realities of signs can reveal whose realities are privileged and whose are suppressed. Such a study involves investigating the construction and maintenance of reality by particular social groups. To decline the study of signs is to leave to others the the control of the world of meanings which we inhabit."

Book Semiotics: The Basics by Daniel Chandler.

Web link here.

Lastly, if you think that the quotation was gobbledygook nonsense: you don't have a clue as to what you're up against.

Antipholus Papps said...

This is the most sensible post I've read in all this. Cheers.

Antipholus Papps said...

The Marty Feldman picture is fantastic by the way!

(And I want to apologise for lending my support while linking to the dumbest post I've ever put up on my blog! What a minefield.)

lwtc247 said...

Irrespective of wide ranging personal philosophies, I feel great respect and admiration for the honest thinking skeptics who come here to this and other closely related blogs.

I reject the official narrative and think we are being lied to on a very serious scale over many deadly serious issues. A history of lies are a matter of record is undeniable and understandable to anyone with an ounce of intelligence and an unprejudiced heart. The lies unquestionably serve an elite sustained by economic deception. It seems many others here share very similar beliefs.

As a result, this shared skepticism seems to have brought about a pleasing degree of solidarity despite a very diverse range of strongly held views by skeptics and this largely renders questions of “who exactly this elite is”, “what structure’s do they operate through” and “what exactly their goal is” into a side issue. I think we can all see the immediate Corporatocracy enemy at the gates and we know beast (or tool thereof) that is a major focus of deserved opposition.

It’s inevitable that when peoples vision of reality is challenged, shaped largely by the propaganda of state broadcasting institutions, their id dominated persona forces suppression of cognitive logic and open mindedness. Those challenges become an object of irritation progressing ultimately to hate. Of course, being a conscript towards preserving the applecart brings about those irrational and hateful thoughts by default, and is the inevitable destination of dupes. Blairwatch and its shrieking mushroom Rachel North display that behavior.

Last year some time, I saw Blairwatch do what they just repeated, i.e. censoring honest and critical discussion, flicking well aimed yellow stars at their commentators – brandishing as Nazi’s anyone who pondered upon information that didn’t meet their definition of reality. They did a similar ‘torch and pitchfork’™ (Alex Fear) routine with FJL, prompting me to made a post about it, partly because I could see their mobster tendency was coming to pass, actually resembling the fascism Blair achieved in his bloody years of rule. I knew there would be more victims. Now NK is guilty of thought crimes and questioning mainstream narratives, no matter if his challenge is accurate or not.

There have been many great responses to the Northsquad™ (Alex Fear) and here’s a nice brief selection

redadare And as for those not accepting the official version of 9/11 all being loons, all I can say is I did not know there were so many looney tunes amongst my sensible, responsible, well educated friends. [source]

paul
Well, ‘they’re’ going to have to find something else to hate us for rather than our freedoms [source]


and

Ideas of liberty are not just for those you approve of. Running off to his employer about what he says outside his job is a spectacularly creepy way of going about things. [source]

There are others, but the point’s been made.

If some weird kind of neopolitical, neocultural philosophy is advocated by Homone R, and those libelers at Blairwatch, then they can keep it, being as it were “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

Stef said...

@anon re. semiotics

if you think that the quotation was gobbledygook nonsense: you don't have a clue as to what you're up against.

oh, I for one am with you on this one

the problem is of course distinguishing what is deliberate and meaningful from the random and insignificant

not easy...

@antipholus - cheers

Stef said...

@lwtc247

Well, ‘they’re’ going to have to find something else to hate us for rather than our freedoms

I missed that one, ta - I shall be stealing that flagrantly in due course

re. disparate folks finding, er, Common Purpose in these matters

well, yes, why not

there's always going to be tensions and conflicted debate between people who hold different belief systems (well, I hope so anyway)

but there's no reason why people of different beliefs, but good heart, can't come together to deal with some pesky puppetmasters before getting back to really running the world in the way coincidence theorists think it is being run today

after all, how many ordinary people really believe that fabricating pretexts for hegemonic wars or giving haven to criminals who've stolen billions from their countryfolk is a good thing?

I'd say the answer is 'not many', otherwise they'd be no point to lying about this stuff all the time

Merkin said...

Every time I see that female witness I am just glad that we don't have smell-a-vision.
Still, I can smell that peroxide through bad evocation.

Stef said...

though I fully appreciate why people do feel the way they do, personally speaking, I try very hard not to get drawn into any personalized nonsense

(not always entirely successfully)

whether by accident or design it all serves simply as a distraction - and a particularly trivial and tedious one at that

I try to avoid linking to the sites in question and I rarely read them (except quotes posted/ reproduced elsewhere - not good practice I know but sites which delete what seem to me to be perfectly reasonable, non abusive, comments aren't worth any of my respect or time)