Thursday, June 14, 2007
Memorable quotes from NonConspiro™ World
Some wise words from the foremost classical thinkers of NonConspiro™ World...
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to something."
Edmund Burke
"Eternal complacency is the price of liberty."
Wendell Phillips, (1811-1884)
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve both."
Benjamin Franklin
“There is no safety for honest men except by believing nothing possibly evil of evil men.”
Edmund Burke (again, he was a lad)
"The greatest tyrannies are rarely, if ever, perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes."
Thomas Paine
"If we become a people who are willing to give up our money and our freedom in exchange for rhetoric and promises, then that's an absolutely fantastic idea."
Thomas Sowell
etc etc
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tory bliar:"The snowglobe has been shaken, the pieces are now in flux...let us use this time to sit quietly and watch the flakes settle"
...and...
"I took the evidence of WMD on good faith"
...or...
"I did at the time what i thought was right"
...or how about this Conspiraloonery™ from his own lips ?...
"I acknowledge my own complicity, we paid inordinate attention in the early days of new labour, to courting, assuaging, and persuading the media...it was hard to see any alternative...the result is a media that increasingly, and to a dangerous degree, is driven by impact, of course the accuracy of the story counts, but it is secondary, often, to impact - it is this necessary devotion to impact that is unravelling standards, driving them down, making the diversity of the media not the strength it should be, but an impulsion towards sensation above all else...first, scandal or controversy beats ordinary reporting hands down - news is rarely news, unless it generates heat as much as or more than light - second, attacking motive is far more potent than attacking judgement, it is not enough for someone to make an error, it has to be venal - third the fear of losing out means that todays media more than ever before, hunts in a pack, in these modes it's like a feral beast just tearing people and reputations to bits, but no-one dares miss out"
holy fuck, does that read like some sort of tinfoil hat theory/confession or what ?
yes, but joking aside, in all likelihood he really should be taking some pills
It's a bit like Fred West making a speech attacking bad patio conversions really isn't it?
Is it not possible to find enough psychiatrists who hate Blair to get him sectioned?
"...to do nothing" *isn't it?*
Yes, the conspiracy theorists are growing becasue people know their rotten governments are killing killing their own.
For years "we've" sat by and happily watched people be enslaved, pilliged and killed, but that's alright - there "darkies" or speak gobbledegook.
Now we find out there doing it to us "whities", Hells bells!, Now it's serious!
and to any Non Conspiraloons who think that the killing our own comment above is fantasy and have no concerns about the Official Narrative of 7/7 over to Reg Keys
I dedicate this campaign to my son Tom, who was killed in Iraq four days short of his 21st birthday. He was sent to war under very controversial circumstances.
If this war was justified then I would not be here today. If the war had been just I would have been grieving and not campaigning. If weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, then I would not have come to Sedgefield, to the Prime Minister's stronghold, to challenge him on its legality. I don't pretend to be a politician, and it has not been easy for me, but it has been a very rewarding campaign, and I think it is remarkable that an amateur like me has come from a standing start in one of the most traditional and safe Labour seats of all to achieve a share of the vote which is not so far short of that of an established political party.
For this I thank the team which built spontaneously around me, my wife Sally and my other son Richard who have stood behind me, and above all I thank the voters of Sedgefield who put their trust in me.
I hope in my heart that one day the Prime Minister will be able to say sorry to the families bereaved by this war, and that one day he will find himself able to visit in hospital the soldiers who have been wounded by it.
So, as well as to Tom, I would like to dedicate my campaign to all the British servicemen - and I am aware that some people do not know how many it is who have been killed - to all 88 British servicemen who have been killed and given their young lives in this conflict.
And especially to those Royal Military Policemen who have become known as The Six, who were abandoned and slaughtered in a filthy police station in Al Majar Al-Kabir.
http://tinyurl.com/2tksmd
It's 150 now
I take issue with Keys about the "If there was WMD then he'd not complain" bit. I just can't swallow that Reg. Sorry.
Reading the Penguin Anthology "Poetry of the 30's" came across a poet previously unknown to me - Philip O'Connor.
The first very Audenesque line os worth repeating ;
"You mustn't take in more idealism than you can usefully digest"
...and he almost repeats it in the last 2 lines.
You must not take on (be impregnated with) more ideals than you can profitably digest.Nosir
Date 1938
Principal cause for dipping was to recall the lines
"I sit in one of the dives
On 52nd Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade"
Which, given the events in the ME seem somehow appropriate.
@lwtc247
Personally, I never swallowed the WMD thing either - there was no evidence that Iraq had any left or even if it did that intended to use them.
In fairness to Reg Keys I've never lost a son and struggled to make sense or find meaning in that loss.
The problem is that if everyone waited until they suffer as a direct result of establishment deceit nothing will change until a lot more harm has been done.
But, sad to say, most people don't give a toss or continue believing until they are personally affected
@shutter - nice poem...
"Personally, I never swallowed the WMD thing either" ...
From the pov of a PhD chemist with considerable industrial (Pharma / Fine Chems) experience I couldn't understand why there wasn't any WMD. Take a train from London to Edinburgh and chemical plants abound. Drive anywhere in Blighty midweek and you'll most probably see some sort of large volume vessel that could be used for processing fine chemicals. Further, the idea of putting chemical weapons factories on the back of trucks is entirely feasible (links provided on request).
So how come they didn't? Well, remember when Madeliene Albright starved to death over half a million Iraqi children (she said it was a price worth paying)? This had the effect of wiping out any industrial infrastructure that Iraq may have had. If you can't make your own medicines you can't make your own chemical weapons.
Well, quite
There are plenty of substances that could be classed a chemical weapons
When I say I had trouble swallowing the WMD thing I'm referring to the kind of easily weaponised crud we sold the Iraqis a decade of more previously
But the thing is even if you believed the Iraqis had access to something nasty you still had to believe they were intending to use it. Military intelligence is supposedly all about establishing a potential foes' capabilities AND intentions.
The intention side of the case against Iraq was even flimsier that the capability part. Hence the constant references to the fact that 'Saddam had used WMD on his own people'
...fifteen years before, in a combat zone, whilst fighting an insane war of attrition against a much larger country, with our encouragement
how any of that led to the urgent need to invade Iraq as a matter of urgency in 2003 has not been explained or even addressed
The case for attacking Iraq was permeated with dishonesty from start to finish and anyone who bought it was ill-informed or wicked
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