Tuesday, June 12, 2007

No more kiddie porn for you Mr Government Minister (?)



Just in case anyone has missed this post from the Yorkshire Ranter...

"You probably don't know that the government wants to implement wholesale filtering of URL requests from the end of next month, do you? Not that the national press, TV, or anything else has reported on it, nor has there been any serious parliamentary debate. Nuh. But the Home Office is pressurising British ISPs to install a system BT has been using since 2003, at the behest of (guess who) David Blunkett, called Cleanfeed..."

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Apparently the Cleenfeed system is being rolled-out to combat online kiddie smut. Though it would seem that people who know a thing or two about the Internet can circumvent it easy enough. Which means that, as with so much of the new measures implemented by our government, it has the potential to affect ordinary law-abiding people a lot more than ordinary non law-abiding criminals

Whilst reading around this issue I encountered the tastefully named and executed NonceWatch web page and a section entitled -
TWO LABOUR BIGWIGS IN CHILD PORN INVESTIGATION. There's plenty of stuff out there about what the police may have stumbled upon as a result Operation Ore. Virtually all of it is hearsay and rumour, as the newspapers backed off from the story pronto. It's still an amusing, albeit completely unsubstantiated, read though. So why not pop 'Labour Minister Child Porn Operation Ore' into Google and have a browse around before it all gets 'filtered'

And what better time than now to reproduce a picture of George Robertson, former UK Defence Secretary and Secretary General of NATO...

"Robertson attracted some public criticism for his alleged role in the Dunblane massacre, most notably his alleged prior involvement with Thomas Hamilton, the two men's Masonic connections and the quashing of psychiatric objections to Hamilton's gun license. The allegations were groundless, and Robertson won a libel case against the website that had hosted the claims"


Thanks to the superb British libel laws we can now be sure that if there is any basis to the rumours that senior figures in the Labour party were involved in a child porn case, details of which were subsequently D-Noticed into oblivion, it definitely wasn't him

One down, several hundred to go...

And for an alternate take on the kiddie porn issue it's worth reading a couple of pieces by David Aaronovitch here and here, where he makes the distinction between viewing sick child smut and engaging in sick child smut. Maybe David could have a word with his old friend, former Labour cabinet minister Peter Mandelson and get him to pull a few strings in the government. Because the Conspiraloon
in me is saying 'today they're filtering kiddie porn, tomorrow whatever the fuck they want'

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edit: just for clarity's sake all this stuff about Labour MPs is completely unverifiable. My concern is not about who may or may not get off on looking a sick pictures it's about how an issue such as child pornography is elevated and shaped because it serves a wider purpose. That is until the hysteria that's been whipped up starts to splash back onto the people doing the the whipping - at which point the story changes

please also note the exceptional restraint I have shown by not writing a sentence that includes the words Brown, Gordon, Rocking Horse, Photograph and Nappy, even though there is some evidence that an awful lot of people are plugging them into Google

edit2: oops, I've just discovered that this blog does comes up on the first page of Google results if you search 'Brown Gordon Rocking Horse Photograph Nappy' so I must have written that sentence at some point in the past. What with one thing and another, if there really is a NWO that is planning to take over the world I am going to be so fucked

Ah well, in for a penny in for a pound, you may as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb, etc etc..

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44 comments:

Alex said...

Well, if it's any consolation, going by Operation ORE's track record with other people, the minister was almost certainly innocent.

Stef said...

agreed

the issue of stolen credit card numbers should have been considered from the first day

what I find interesting though is that the potential pitfalls of the Operation Ore case only started to become highlighted after some potentially embarrassing material started coming to light

Prior to that it was headline news, with arrest after arrest making the headlines

the moral being I think, kiddie smut is useful when pressing for greater controls regardless if innocent people stand to get hurt, unless certain people stand to get hurt, in which case it's a no no

Stef said...

The Dunblane thing is also relevant when it comes to considering the impact of drafting knee jerk (or is it deliberate?)legislation that impacts law abiding people more than criminals

Draconian measures to ban firearms were implemented as the result of that incident (the details of which were filed away for 100 years) and since then the number of firearms offences has...

risen

by quite a lot

Alex said...

also, the Dunblane thing predates ORE. The conspiracy theory has been knocking around for years, it just gets periodically updated.

Stef said...

that it does

but once again I personally wouldn't go about pushing any particular conspiracy theory about Dunblane, with or without a makeover. There simply isn't enough evidence to do so

I'm just concerned how events are hijacked/ manipulated in the service of pre-existing agendas - the passing of the Patriot Act days after 9/11 being the most blatant example of the genre in recent years

Stef said...

the thing about Dunblane is that from the evidence that is in the public domain the existing legislation appears to have actually worked

matey was flagged up as a 'nutter' at the licence approval stage but those concerns were over-ridden

instead of crucifying whoever was responsible for that, a sweeping new law was introduced

The Antagonist said...

Guess what the reason given for locking up the documents for 100 years was? Yes, you've guessed it, to protect the interests of abused children, almost as if that was ever a concern of the ruling classes with their funny little habits.

So the 106 [7] documents relating to how Thomas Hamilton killed 16 [7] infants are all subject to the 100 year rule to protect the interests of abused children. However, this would appear to be a complete nonsense given that, according to a Sunday Herald investigation, "only a handful of the documents.... relate to children or name alleged abuse victims."

This suggests that the majority of the 106 [7] documents relating to how Thomas Hamilton killed 16 [7] infants could easily be released to the general public in their existing incarnation without compromising the security of any named children. So where's the problem?

This suggests that the real reason such a large number of documents are being withheld by the State is nothing more than the protection of the State, and its representatives, by the State.

Stef said...

No such reluctance to show restraint when plastering kiddie porn accusations about one of the people arrested as a result of the cocked-up Forest Gate raid...

http://tinyurl.com/2fhfgh

Stef said...

or allegations that Jean Charles de Menezes was a rapist put about after his public execution...

news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article350779.ece

Stef said...

Sauce for the goose?

The Antagonist said...

Sauce for the goose? As if....

Legal big stick threatens freedom of the press
Newspapers have been warned about the risk of contempt in covering the Dunblane tragedy

by Ian Bell Scotsman 5 April 1996

SOMETIMES the law is extended, sometimes it extends itself. This week Scotland's most senior law officer threatened editors with proceedings for contempt if they continued to investigate the circumstances of the Dunblane massacre. As though to sharpen the point, the Crown Office said the remarks of Lord Mackay of Drumadoon, the Lord Advocate, were themselves "not for publication or broadcast". The curb on reporting is not to be reported.


Correct me if I'm wrong but that would seem to contain a definite message of some sort.

Transparent government? Damn right, they're completely see-through.

The Antagonist said...

The curb on reporting is not to be reported.

Of course there's nothing to hide if even the curb on reporting is not to be reported.

Anonymous said...

There's tons of this stuff around at the moment. Along with this we have the never ending bleating of the MSM about blogs, the big corpos buying up have the sites on the internet then gutting everything about them that made them interesting, the USUK pressuring search engines for personal data and of course the Pentagons 'war on the internet'.

I think the establishment are terrified that the internet will allow us to find out about their crimes and they are going to do everything they can to neuter it. Obviously to keep the illusion of a 'free democracy' they have to pretend its about combating terrorism and kiddie porn and not just about censorship and crushing dissent. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if those that frequent 'conspiracy theory' sites aren't on a database somewhere...

Stef said...

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if those that frequent 'conspiracy theory' sites aren't on a database somewhere...

Now there's a cheery thought

/ gulps

Stef said...

The curb on reporting is not to be reported

That really should be put on a few T shirts or used as a blog title

Shutter said...

Notice anything odd abt Georhe R and George B's handshake ?

Any rumours about GR are

Stef said...

@shutter - I was always 'taught to be cautious' when dealing with these matters so I must maintain that my selection of that image was completely random

The Antagonist said...

Shutter, you're not suggesting that G & G have a < G > connection, are you?

Anyone happen to know when the cops got checkerboards wrapped around their bonces? I suspect it was sometime between 1968 and 1972 and may well have coincided with Decimal Day.

Tickle my palm....

Stef said...

...and call me the widow's son

Stef said...

"Today's blog posting was brought to you by the number 33 and the letter G"

The Antagonist said...

On the square and on the job.

Stef said...

One does one's level best

The Antagonist said...

I much admire the 45 degree North-Easterly setting of your moral compass.

Stef said...

and there was me thinking that the pattern on police caps was there so they could have impromptu games of drafts when on stake outs

You've shattered all my illusions...

http://tinyurl.com/yum4vq

The Antagonist said...

If that's what you thought, you have most definitely been hoodwinked.

Anonymous said...

The 'elite paedophile' ring stuff sounds eerily similar to the franklin elite paedophile ring allegations that Hunter s Thompson was investigating just before he shot himself in the head.

I'm sure no such thing could ever exist though obviously.

Stef said...

...lovely Craft work in that photo don't you think?

The Antagonist said...

What a Sublime Degree we have reached....

Stef said...

Wikipedia describes the Franklin thing as a 'carefully Crafted hoax'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_King

so it can't be true

though whether the use of the word 'Craft' is a deliberate piss take at the expense of anyone who believes everything they read in Wikipedia is not immediately clear

The Antagonist said...

Anonymous: Hunter S. Thompson was the appointed photographer in the Franklin case according to the testimony of one the victims, Paul Bonacci

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Hunter's attack of conscience in later life is somehow linked to his death.

Stef said...

and then all of that segues onto the the Jeff Gannon thing...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

which then leads to the Johnny Gosch thing...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

and the claims that they may be one and the same person...

http://tinyurl.com/23ghvd

at which point it's best to have a quiet sit down somewhere and a nice cup of tea

Anonymous said...

I'm dizzy and confused now!

I do wonder however if these repeated paedophile allegations are just those who legitimately hate these scum bags overreaching themselves slightly.

Maybe I'm not a good enough conspiracy theorist though.

The Antagonist said...

Still, if nothing else, this is comment number 33!

Stef said...

I'm dizzy and confused now!

I think that may be the idea

I didn't even mention the George Bush Senior thing...

http://tinyurl.com/626uc

or the Prince Charles thing...

http://tinyurl.com/3d6py2

It goes without saying that the sooner this confusing, hateful Internet nonsense gets closed down the better

The interesting thing is that this particular genre of rumour gets cracked down on and suppressed more than any other category of conspiratorial discussion on the web. It really does get under people's skin

Stef said...

Oooh, I didn't think it was possible to go higher than the 33rd degree of commenting...

Anonymous said...

Perhaps they are some sort of dense David Icke style metaphor or something. Perhaps they protest too much...

It is odd though that this is the conspiracy theory about them they dislike the most. It's the one I don't believe.

I do believe they're mass murdering elitists - but they seem to be rather proud of that one!

Stef said...

I do wonder however if these repeated paedophile allegations are just those who legitimately hate these scum bags overreaching themselves slightly.

well yes, but that doesn't stop those same scum bags accusing large numbers of ordinary people of being paedos and using that as an excuse to clamp down on everyone's freedoms

Anonymous said...

Shows how far we haven't come really. 'Terrorist' and 'paedo' are just 21st century versions of 'Witch!'

What with that and the Global warming priesthood, it's like we're entering a new dark age.

Stef said...

What do you mean 'like'?

Anonymous said...

This article is very interesting - http://brojon.org/frontpage/global/globalwarming1.html

Whilst I think a lot of the stuff in here is bizarre and glib (brojon is a very eccentric website generally) his central premise that global warming very closely resembles the dark age of 300-1300ad in Europe makes a look of sense imo. The way global warming has become a 'truth' and is been used to centralise power and control peoples behaviour has a lot of parallels with what happened with religion and science during that period.

But I guess this is off topic.

Stef said...

There's only one subject that's off topic and that's my little secret

If we're playing the analogy game I particularly like the parallels between the Hardcore Anthropological Global Warming Scenario and Medieval depictions of Hell

You sin. You burn

It's simple really

Stef said...

... though glib and bizarre Brojon does raise a question about MMGW that I share

'Why didn't people fill airships with CO2 instead of that nasty, explosive hydrogen stuff?'

The Antagonist said...

What's this all about then?

Stef said...

LOL

F*cked if I know...