Sunday, January 25, 2009

First they came for the smokers...

I went for a long walk around North Central London today - Islington, Hackney, Tower Hamlets

And I saw dozens and dozens of the same poster plastered all over phone boxes and bus stops


This poster...




there's also a link to a related wesbite



Last night I got involved in an extended, extended by me anyway, chat with someone in the comments under one of my posts on the subject of big government vs small government

I maintained that the relative size of government is an irrelevance and a distraction from more significant concerns

I would, however, argue that when government starts spunking money taken off people under threat of imprisonment (i.e. tax) on expensive cross-media marketing campaigns which tell those same people that they are dirty pigs then, yes, the people employed doing that are probably better employed in a private sector sweatshop - preferably somewhere nasty .


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44 comments:

Anonymous said...

Seems to go along with they've already been doing, eg ASBOs. Same group of people being targeted, the hoodie in the picture suggests as much anyway.

Stef said...

Yup

And where I've been today there were so many of these posters put up that once you started noticing them they were oppressive

Come to think of it, even if you didn't consciously notice them they'd still be oppressive

Anonymous said...

Can't say I spend much time in N_. Most of my life experience is with the western half of the city...

Stef said...

You ain't missing much

Anonymous said...

Lol, I figured as much. Then theres most of E_ which looks like a third world slum and has high unemployment...

Actually, I might prefer that, at least I would have less trouble keeping a roof over my head - something that isn't easy when you're one of the few unlucky ones in an otherwise affluent neighborhood.

Lex Fear said...

While the campaign is no less condescending, looks like the advert comes from 'Keep Britain Tidy' run by charity ENCAMS.

The sad part is that a charity is now aping a government style campaign, and blending into the background noise produced by a government obsessed with controlling every aspect of our lives.

Perhaps if the government stopped trying to 'care' charities such as this could get better results.

paul said...

What happened to the cheery rod hull and his litter defence volunteers?

Stef said...

@Lex

Fair play, your are right, this is an Encams campaign

However, Encams is partly funded by us dirty pigs and chock full of career government/ Common Purpose/ Tavistock/ call em 'what you will droids

And I don't doubt for a second that, whilst the ultimate 'targets' of the campaigns are the kids in the pictures, the target audience is a somewhat different demographic

anon 22:41 said...

Divide ut regnes, Divide and Rule

Quote:
Typical elements of this technique are said to involve:

* creating or encouraging divisions among the subjects in order to forestall alliances that could challenge the sovereign.
* aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the sovereign.
* fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers.
* encouraging frivolous expenditures that leave little money for political and military ends.


Anyway, not a good idea to wear a hoodie if you're a young unemployed obese muslim smoker.

Stef said...

the domain...

www.fatcunt.org

appears to be still up for grabs

gyg3s said...

I'd like to raise two points that your post and subsequent comments elicit.

Ever tuned into local commercial radio and heard the adverts? On some radio stations the ratio of gov sponsored (eg, 'Don't Do Drugs'; 'Don't Sleep Around' etc) to private sponsored (eg, usually car dealerships) is something like ten to one.

Once you notice; it screams at you every time you listen.

Isn't this a means of controlling dissent? The first rule of radio is ... don't alienate your sponsors. It looks as though Blighty's commercial radio has the UK gov as its main sponsor.

Second point: I live in a partly rural area. At certain times of the year there is mud on the road. The farmers go ploughing from field to field crossing roads with their tractors and spreading mud.

This is illegal. Google it and see what laws are being broken. Eg public nuisance (a criminal offence) and it should attract an ASBO.

(Imagine if the builders did this whilst going to and from a building site in the centre of town. Those in the building trade willl tell you that there are strict rules against this behaviour).

But will the council ever impose an ASBO?

Will the local tesco put up a massive picture of the farmer as you go into the shop. Placing him in the 21st century stocks for all to ridicule?

No.

But they're quite happy to do that to a 14 year old tea leaf.

Pathetic isn't it.

paul said...

looks like hes walked into the glass :O

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I raised that issue with Stef about the size of government, but he said it is irrelevant as long as its benevolent, honest and transparent. The problem with that is, when has such an overbloated government ever been any of those? The Roman Republic was corrupted, if you want an ancient example. In fact, much of our legal process was inherited from that, along with the Latin terminology.

If anything, national and local government is increasing in scope BECAUSE it is infiltrated and no longer serving the people's interests. I personally don't want the government involved in so many aspects of life. This includes all forms of it, down to the council and local agency level, and any contractors working for them.

Call it damage control\limitation, if you will...I fully expect another period of tyranny in the future (based on historical trends) even if we manage to free ourselves from the current shackles, so why not minimise the risk next time?

Stef said...

because IMHO the enemy is centralised, unaccountable power

and it doesn't matter if it is corporate or public

From an Evil Overlord's point of view there's absolutely biff all difference and it's just as easy to buy off and corrupt, either way

going forward, our Masters' plan appears to be to blur the distinction between corporate and private so much that the notion of big or little government will eventually be revealed to be the irrelevancy that I believe it to be

which is why I despair of truthers on the political right who keep banging on that what is currently being done to our world is 'communistic' instead of a less loaded and divisive term like 'totalitarian'.

They've been sold a total pup and take it for a walk whenever they can

Anonymous said...

going forward, our Masters' plan appears to be to blur the distinction between corporate and private so much that the notion of big or little government will eventually be revealed to be the irrelevancy that I believe it to be

That certainly is the case. However, I was referring more to the law-making and law enforcement powers of the government and civil service. We don't yet have private mercs patrolling the streets do we?

Stef said...

If equitable solutions are to be found I suspect they lie with anarchism/ libertarianism

which is why the controlled mainstream treats anarchists/ libertarians as either being gun nuts or Marxist terrorists

which is only partially the case ;)

Stef said...

We don't yet have private mercs patrolling the streets do we?

In the UK, most CCTV is privately controlled and legions of poorly regulated private security personnel, often with the dodgiest of backgrounds, have sprung up in recent years

Mercenaries are currently the second largest coalition contingent in Iraq and Blackwater was used on the streets of New Orleans in the wake of Katrina

Anti_NWO said...

A small self-contained community (geared towards the traditionally neglected people in the current welfare system) is something I have in mind when I actually have some wealth to speak of...

Stef said...

and traffic wardens are no longer traffic wardens they're 'Civil Enforcement Officer' and increasingly employed by the private sector...


A PRIVATISED “militia” of camera-wearing enforcement officers who can issue tickets for anything from parking to letting your dog off its lead could soon patrol the streets, according to critics of plans being considered at the Town Hall.


Public or private?

Stef said...

@anti NWO

a lot of people are starting to think that way

like the Amish but with better comms and without the compulsory religion

Anti_NWO said...

Poorly regulated\dodgy backgrounds? Thats interesting Stef, where did you discover this? because I get checked so thoroughly for even mediocre, everyday roles that I'm often bringing as much paperwork as a benefit claim.

Nevermind security where I need an SIA level 4 and other such things (5-10 years checkable references)...

Anti_NWO said...

As for hiring private enforcement officers - I've encountered similar things with "New Deal" before. As you say, the line between public and private is being blurred. Instead of directly employing workers, there is contracting out of services which has been rapidly increasing with the current government.

Purnell (a pervert, if the story about child porn on his office PC in the Cambridge papers is correct) did it with the DWP\Jobcentre Plus claiming it would reduce costs. What actually happened was frontline staff were cut, more money was given to private corporations, and further contracting out of security staff.

Anonymous said...

The plans were outlined by Liberal Democrat councillors James King and Ralph Scott as the council’s ruling cabinet discussed a new eight-year contract for traffic wardens last Wednesday.

Oh the irony.

Stef said...

@ aNWO, there's plenty...

e.g.

11,000 illegal migrants licensed to work as private security guards

Criminal bouncers threat as licence checks pour in

Anti_NWO said...

Everywhere I've tried is insistent on full documentation and checks... am I lying or unlucky or what then?

Stef said...

or maybe not dishonest enough to lie or use fake documents

remember, most legislation is there to inhibit the honest, not the dishonest

in which direction did gun crime figures move after the Dunblane bans?

Anti_NWO said...

Well, I'm unsure on how easy it is to fake SIA licences.

What would you suggest as an alternative then out of interest?

As for Dunblane, well of course I was against that knee-jerk decision. :p

Anti_NWO said...

Gun crime increased, but morons only look at statistical anomalies - ie the rare loon on a shooting spree, usually enabled by the state in some form anyway - VT gun free zones being an example.

Stef said...

What would you suggest as an alternative then out of interest?

I'm not qualified to give decent advice in this area so I'll pass

but as a general rule I'd advise to sticking to being honest. There are many bullshit laws and restrictions out there but if I have compromise my own sense of right and wrong by telling lies to get around them, well, it's usually not worth it

Anti_NWO said...

Maybe so, but one's survival in this land depends on making a living. Since I'm not in a position to be running my own business, I have to work for someone else.

When I did a stint in a Royal Mail warehouse, they did the security checks themselves. Granted, as far as your health goes they relied on people being honest on the form. However, it would be apparent very quickly to the supervisors on the warehouse floor just who exactly wasn't capable of doing 12 hour nightshifts.

paul said...

Your discussing what I think of a the siphon economy.
Why bother producing goods and services for a troublesome public when you can plug straight into the public finances for a guaranteed revenue stream?
The model is quite simple, get the government, in the name of 'reform' to wreck a department/organisation through constant reorganisations, which serves to piss off anyone who tries to do a good job and destroys any institutional memory as to what that departments true purpose is.
Declare the thing dysfunctional and invite in private sector 'expertise'.
Thus furthering the enclosure of public capital.

Anti_NWO said...

@paul: Thats precisely whats happened to the welfare system, particularly the jobseeking element in the last decade. It used to be DSS, then those offices were closed, functions were merged into Jobcentres to create JCP. The area was put under control of DWP.

Then there's stuff like New Deal, outsourcing "training" programs, etc etc.

paul said...

You can watch it unfold at the erstwhile royal mail. Ludicrous pricing, dismantling of the network, taylorised work practices.
Piss off the workers, pay off the insiders.

I divine this process in the national health service. It is now impossible in england for a newly trained GP to join a partnership. The existing partners just employ them on a salary.
The practice then becomes an asset of the existing partners which can earn them economic or be sold off to privateers such as richard branson as is envisaged in Dazai's polyclinic plans.

paul said...

should read:
can earn them economic rent.

A good preparatory move is to disenchant the public with the institution, which, inn my opinion was the purpose behind the so called 'bungling' of GP contracts.

Anti_NWO said...

As far as healthcare goes, I'd support independent clinics.

Antipholus Papps said...

A PRIVATISED “militia”

We also have the Railway Enforcement Officers who look like coppers, but lack the old masonic check. I'm not sure if they're employed by the railway companies or on a level with PCSOs. Were there not also plans to grant certain police powers to private security guards?

I've also just seen a couple of redshirt 'Community Wardens' walking around Russell Square. Fascist regimes just love all their different spiffy uniforms don't they?

(wv: redfast!)

Stef said...

I personally don't want the government involved in so many aspects of life. This includes all forms of it, down to the council and local agency level, and any contractors working for them.

There's nothing about the 'private' sector which will protect any of us from meddling and intrusion.

Henry Ford, for example, employed 50 investigators to snoop on his employees and make sure they were 'proper' (Ford's definition) people. That was the price of accepting higher than average wages

In future, you can be pretty sure that whoever holds your personal medical data, public or private, that insurance companies will routinely be able to sneak a peek.

DNA databases will enable private institutions to cherry pick and exclude based on conditions you might develop as well already have

If meddling and intrusion is seen as a way of boosting profits companies will engage in such practices more enthusiastically than any public sector bureaucracy

Stef said...

Bailiffs get power to use force on debtors

though, as someone as already commented here earlier, bailiffs have been routinely slapping people about for donkeys' years

Stef said...

The question is is this, what I believe to be undeniable, move towards a fascistic blurring of corporate and public a case of shit just happening or the result of a conscious and systematic program

there's no need to guess what I think

paul said...

The latter, for me.

The Intelligent Designer said...

Me too

The Grand Architect said...

I'll have a slice of that as well

Anonymous said...

In future, you can be pretty sure that whoever holds your personal medical data, public or private, that insurance companies will routinely be able to sneak a peek.

DNA databases will enable private institutions to cherry pick and exclude based on conditions you might develop as well already have

If meddling and intrusion is seen as a way of boosting profits companies will engage in such practices more enthusiastically than any public sector bureaucracy


I haven't said anywhere that corporations are all great. As for medical data, well good thing I take care of myself as I haven't needed a doctor in years.

DNA databases..well lets see, who collected the DNA to begin with - the police force. I don't particularly trust hospitals either, in fact that is why my children were born at home with a midwife in attendance.

Simply put, at least with private firms (when not joined at the hip with government) I can decide who I do business with. On the other hand tax is forcibly taken on threat of court and jail.

Stef said...

I haven't said anywhere that corporations are all great.

No you haven't

and I wouldn't claim large public organisations are intrinsically wonderful either