Saturday, July 26, 2008

Never Mind the Bollocks




Edit (30/7/08): "This video is no Longer available on Youtube" :(

but if you're quick you'll be able to catch this latest incarnation of the Jesus consciousness live and uncut...


"Sermon on the Mount

The Messiah will be giving the Sermon on the Mount, this Friday.

Time: 7:00pm
Date: 1 August 2008
Place: Roseberry Toppping (nr Nunthorpe, Cleveland)

Eleven years earlier -- to the day -- David was suddenly arrested in France at the request of the British government after offering Tony Blair evidence of MI6 funding associates of Osama Bin Laden in Libya to carry out an assassination, which went wrong killing innocent people.

Dave Shayler

PS grateful if receipients could spread this as widely as possible. You may not want to hear a message of love and salvation but others might."


edit #2: David's videos are now back with an additional two minutes of even more invaluable Enlightenment (thx CQG)

and it's just dawned on me what the jerky, heavily edited style of these Messianic bulletins was reminding me of...



Is it me or is the room getting bigger?


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52 comments:

Stef said...

that's not poor editing causing the jerkiness in this bulletin btw - that's David showing off his micro-teleportation powers

Brenda said...

Heh. :)

Saw this and thought of you:
http://mikedempsey.typepad.com/graphic_journey_blog/2008/07/my-morning-stro.html

Edo said...

And there's me struggling with the swell of shit in my head... what is he thinking?

Stef said...

My first thought is 'something mushroom related'

As are my second, third and fourth thoughts

Stef said...

@b

I wonder if people who write lines like...

'I live a short walk from Exmouth Market in London's Clerkenwell. It's a very lively little place and it has change enormously during the ten years I've been here

...ever realise the irony of what they're saying

and that Olympic logo did make me chuckle when I saw it here a year ago. Sadly, stencil graffiti stopped being original round about the same time Banksy scored his first million

though as an early pioneer of '2012 is going to be shit' I welcome all converts, however late they are to the party

Even now people don't realise just how shite 2012 is going to be. As a small example, I was chatting with some folk a few days ago and I started grumbling about how Hackney Marshes were going to be concreted over to make way for a coach park and they thought I was joking

Nope, no sirree :(

It's a pretty blog though and, coincidentally, Lord P. pointed me towards it about five minutes after you

thx

Stef said...

btw - in nodnol at all in the near future?

Anonymous said...

http://realitysandwich.com/meeting_with_a_remarkable_man

Might interest you.

Anonymous said...

And the advert there:
http://2012conference-reality.eventbrite.com/

Anonymous said...

And hey:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/9/11_synchronicities
A goldmine of conspiraloon theology.

noplanes said...

that cunt's still MI5 4sure, anyone know who's paid the M3ssiah's rent and energy bills over the last few years?

anon 22:41 said...

I'm still not convinced David S Jesus is a shill.
Or rather he gradually degraded his argument, then disqualified himself.

paul said...

Isnt Nodnol in Bulgaria? :p

Anonymous said...

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3328

Ofcom, the U.K. television regulator, has rendered a remarkable decision. People interested in what was actually decided will, unfortunately, have to consult the original judgment at Ofcom, rather than the BBC accounts of the judgment.

conrad turner said...

I'd advise any outsiders heading for teh Davids shindig to check a map before heading to Nunthorpe.Its fucking miles away from there.In fact its miles away from the nearest bit of civilisation.I think he's 'avin a larf.Make sure you take a foot pump with you if travelling by car,the locals think its hilarious to let the air out of your tyres in the carpark at the foot of ODINSBERG.
Fuxake..he's the messiah and he doesn't know its proper name.

EQG said...

Hi Stef.

If you care to post an update #2, the Shayler vid IS still on YT, but has now been split into two seperate videos here and here.

Curiously, the combined length of the two new videos - which were uploaded by YT user ShaylerTV on 29th July 2008 - is 12min 58, whereas the (one) original video (if memory serves) - was 10 minutes exactly.

Anyway, it's still all there.... copies of both now ripped to my HDD.

The Underdoug said...

"noplanes said...

that cunt's still MI5 4sure, anyone know who's paid the M3ssiah's rent and energy bills over the last few years?"

Micro-teleportation generates a lot of heat, light and noise (but little of use to others). The micro-teleporter's rule of thumb (up the arse):

When one lives in time extended, the rent deadline will have never ended.

This made me feel that three hours I spent watching the Ickester at Haltemprice & Howden was well worthwhile by comparison - I just couldn't get through this to the end.

Stef said...

Ofcom, the U.K. television regulator, has rendered a remarkable decision. People interested in what was actually decided will, unfortunately, have to consult the original judgment at Ofcom, rather than the BBC accounts of the judgment.

well, quite

Stef said...

This made me feel that three hours I spent watching the Ickester at Haltemprice & Howden was well worthwhile by comparison - I just couldn't get through this to the end.

which is a shame as you missed possibly the most spectacular car chase ever committed to celluloid

I thought the Icke skit was pretty decent actually and much nearer to what used to be called investigative journalism than anything the big media combines put out

I also find that it's perfectly possible to multitask and do routine household taks whilst consuming Truth videos; knitting anti-Google Earth camouflage netting, measuring out dry goods ready for caching, digging bunkers, etc etc

Stef said...

@anon

Cheers for the RAW link

+ that crucial 2012 conference has now been announced on the Conspiraloon Blog of Record

The Underdoug said...

stef

My comment about the Ickester wasn't meant pejoratively. I happily spent 3 hours watching Icke (many thanks for the link) but could not spend 10 minutes watching the Shiller (even in two mouthfuls). I watched Icke more or less in one sitting without fast forwarding. Shiller's presentation style sends my brain cell to sleep in 10s flat. Not being a woman, I can't multishirk (sorry, multitask) while troof-ing. I don't bother with anti-Burglar's Earth netting, a big infra-red source blinds Goggle's street level cameramobiles. BTW they were on Green Dragon Lane, Winchmore Hill at 0650hrs on 29/7/2008 - hide your house, stand by your beds.

On 6/7/2005, I was listening to the radio when the 2012 junket was announced. My 'Oh, F*ck!' could be heard for 20 miles. It was total and conclusive proof that T. Blair is P. McKenna (look into the eyes, just the eyes, etc.). I've always found it ironic that the people of Lausanne (the International Olympic Committee's home city), when offered the Olympics, chose to have a metro system instead (rather than as well). Clever people, them Swiss.

Stef said...

DS has no original research or synthesis/ interpretation of existing material to his name

whether by accident or design, he has taken other people's work and used that to lead an ever-diminishing number of people prepared to take him seriously down a very silly garden path

DI is more complicated

(The Googlewagon also spotted by YT in Cockfosters yesterday)

lwtc247 said...

You guys are too hard on him. So what if he thinks he's God? Who here doesn't have some thoughts; Who here doesn't believe we should be allowed to have stupid thoughts?

Poor is the potential loon who hasn't the capacity to be able to separate out Davids obviously WRONG ideas that he's God (shroom generated or otherwise)

"I think Mi6 didn't fund terrorism and break international law becasue David thinks he's God"

Doesn't sound like the kinda person that wouldn't regress back into 'Fox viewer' mode.

If Davids enduring trip is 'their' creation to kill off any 'truther' acivity, then it's been one hell of a complete failure.

Heaven(or David) help us if an Amazonian, a Hindu or a Dawkin-youth ever espouses criticism of the official conspiracy of 9-11 and 7-7. Such criticisms emminating from those who believe in spirits in trees, Gods in little porcelain statues or believe life statred from chemical soup with no evidence whatsoever, would surely destroy the 'movement'.

To a reasonable degree. I say fair play on Icke. Fair play on Shayler and fair play to the people who believe they are "God-head"/God/King Arthur/some vibration or whatever. Faor play to scientologists, even Ahmadians, pagans, athiests, Dawkin-youth and so forth.

Clearly people who believe DS's metaphysical claims, possess almost zero levels of skills pertaining to real-world hypothesis testing.

And lets not forget, the Conspiraloon Alliance would be a poor place without Hubbard,Icke,Shayler etc.

lwtc247 said...

http://2012conference-reality.eventbrite.com/

Has made me think...
If youy really believes 2012 was the end, then there's surely no harm in arranging some big performance (of some description) in the year 2013 and taking huge ADVANCE payments now! If you're wrong about 2012, you'd probably top yourself anyway, so facing peoples anger wouldn't be an issue.

Beware loons! Don't pay in advance, for anything scheduled beyond 2012, unless you quiz them about their 2012 beliefs first.

Re: £400,000 fine. I hate that. A PUBLICALLY owned institution gets fined. It's the same frigging scam when those in the Metropolitan police decided to blow Jean Charles deMenezez's brains out on a tube train.

The appropriate people should be sacked then sent to jail FFS! (with a now traditional rigged trial thrown in for good measure!)

Fine my ass!

lwtc247 said...

P.P.S. Isn't Liz Kershaw looking old these days? Last time I saw her she was a wee little thing.

What happened Liz? You've sagged a lot!

lwtc247 said...

"Ofcom has recognised that neither the BBC nor any member of staff made any money from these serious editorial lapses."

- So the BEEB didn't make money from say, CHARITY shows c/o phone-ins, and that money didn't appear on the BBC's ledgers, which didn't factor in on the organisations funds, which had no bearing on salary arrangements within the organisation.

cock-up, not conspiracy - yes?


"These plans included training for more than 19,000 staff" - Now listen up, this will be assessed later. don't just announce a phone in for the fun of it. Those kind of standards are for the newz dept.

Anonymous said...

"Ofcom has recognised that neither the BBC nor any member of staff made any money from these serious editorial lapses."

Yet, s1(2) of the Theft Act 1968 provides, " It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief’s own benefit."

So, what do the Conspiraloons say????

Altoghether now, 1, 2, 3 ...

"It's only subliminal if you don't notice it"

Anonymous said...

I remember telling people about how the Mujahideen were shipped into Bosnia for a spot of ethnic cleansing. No body believed me; they called me a loon and such.

Anyway, these fighters are being kicked out, now. See, here.

Stef said...

You guys are too hard on him. So what if he thinks he's God? Who here doesn't have some thoughts; Who here doesn't believe we should be allowed to have stupid thoughts?

It's not so much about being hard on Shayler but more about maintaining a safe distance

Do you really think that it's any accident that virtually the only people with sceptical views about 7/7 etc who are granted mainstream airtime are people who can be, and are, portrayed as being nuttier than squirrel shit?

Stef said...

I remember telling people about how the Mujahideen were shipped into Bosnia for a spot of ethnic cleansing. No body believed me; they called me a loon and such.

One particular Left Wing (sic.) blogger accused me of being a conspiRACIST for expressing similar

Stef said...

that link doesn't work for me btw

lwtc247 said...

more about maintaining a safe distance"
- understood, but the distance involves rather a lot of ridicule.

"Do you really think that it's any accident that virtually the only people with sceptical views about 7/7 etc who are granted mainstream airtime are people who can be, and are, portrayed as being nuttier than squirrel shit?" - A very good question. I've thought about this a lot as I know you have - we've had similiar moments of discussion on this before. It seems like after much thinking the most satisfactory answer I have is that the MSM picks it's loons quite carefully, rather than the loon is collaboration with the MSM and/or a conscious part of the conspiracy. {but they cant be ruled out of course}

Give me a collection of loons and it's possible one will believe in UFO's, another in reptiles another smokes grass, someone else sleeps around, another is a holocaust denier, one is a Hindu who has a god residing in a small porcelin statue, another believes man was put on earth 8000 years ago (or what have you). Those with no apparent 'useful' points are the least likely to be asked to appear on the MSM.


I asked a question recently "is Dylan Avery an idiot?", a wee smidgeon of reasoning behind doing so, was that his "college" life was used as a bashing weapon against him in the past by the MSM, and he's rather prone to not presenting himself in a particularly good light - hence the MSM finds him useful for their purposes when compiling a hit piece. However, I doubt I would ever call him a plant.

Much has been said of gatekeepers in the past also, like Chomsky, but many suspected gatekkeepers don't have a body of evidence proving them to be so. It's mainly just feelings and out own sense of reasoning and experience. We could still be wrong.

I don't think DS is nuts, he's just got the wrong end of the stick/(Rod of Arron) after a narc trip made him think differently. DI isn't nuts either. Both men are rather intelligent. I'd brew them a coffee any day.

But really have they done any harm to anything? Do you have people not believing the facts you post so beautifully here? A simple "No, I don't believe the world is ruled by shape shifting lizards" usually clears any potential standoffishness.


Re: Bosnia and mujahadeen...
I have Muslim friends who said Muslims went to Bosnia to fight. Good for them if you believe your brothers and sisters are being slaughtered why not?. The inspirational International Brigades went to Sapin to stop fascists from liquidating and oppressing various civvies of the Andaluce provinces. BUT I'd like to see some proof that their intention was ethnic cleansing. Like the lobbox that is Mohammad Atta, if your going to give your life for what you believe is in defense of Muslims, are you really gong to sin your nuts off by watching live porn, eat pig sandwiches and booze yourself up days before you sacrifice yourself? Or like the mujahadeen in Bosnis massacre old women and babies? I think not.

lwtc247 said...

For those wo may be interested...

On DI's website (news headlines)

Sunday, 27 July 2008
Why is the head of 'Liberty' a governor of the Ditchley Foundation? ... The Ditchley Foundation is a forum for the establishment elite and connects into the Bilderberg Group network. ...
Why is she a member of the British-American Project, which was created with support from the Royal Institute of International Affairs that connects into the same web as the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Ditchley Foundation?

- Oh dear. Is it a case of:
"Come in no 5, your times up!"

Stef said...

@lwtc247

Yes, I do believe that these wannabe Messiahs do do harm by blending what is probable/ possible with the laughable

These people express no doubt or qualification even when trying to sell the most sensational claims

Sensational claims require sensational evidence IMHO. Otherwise, they are what is technically known as bollocks

And when considering DS it's always worth remembering the role played by his hard-faced former partner/ handler who is starting to get some media airtime in her own right

Stef said...

On the Loose Change point

Dylan Avery, like Shayler, may very well be perfectly sincere

His little film though is...

a) riddled with flaws

b) backed by some very interesting characters like the GCN network, Mark Cuban, Deborah Simon...

Do some googling and ask yourself why some of the people/ outfits behind Loose Change have boosted it so enthusiastically

cf. Michael Moore - a man given his break in film-making by a cousin of George Bush and whose agent is this creep's brother

Stef said...

Re: Bosnia and mujahadeen...

The drugs and people trafficking businesses are equal opportunities employers and show no preference/ prejudice to participants on the basis of race or religion

That's not to say that people who traveled to fight in Bosnia were knowingly part of the criminal side of things. No more than the British squaddies currently being used as muscle for preferred suppliers in Afghanistan

Anonymous said...

"Anyway, these fighters are being kicked out, now. See, here."

Where here is,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7474794.stm

Edo said...

Stimulating exchange here people!
I'd like to share my view. It's a proven fact that opposition to the controlling factors have ALWAYS been infiltrated with dupes, spies, subversives etc. All governments do it. The truth movement has been fairly easy to control because there is very little unity. All that needs doing is create friction between what would be allies (as in 9/11 movement and Illuminati researchers for example) through the spreading of mis-information.
I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the majority of the truthers out there are being diverted away from an obvious link to a lot of these things. 9/11, 7/7, Money Matters, Surveilance, Phoney Wars, Historical Bullshit, Bloodlines, Secret Society... I'll say it shall I? Zionism. Fuck me, I said it. Now do yourselves the favour and follow the money.
If ever there was a Conspiraloon worthy of the title, it was Daryl Bradford Smith. I suggest you check his site out with an open mind, and a critical mind. http://www.iamthewitness.com

anon 22:41 said...

@Stef

On Loose Change backers

I looked into these names, and lots of spooky stuff came out.

Anybody knows anything about an Eric Hufschmid? He seems to have some sort of clan of followers and haters, especially amongst smelly "antizionist" types.

It is extemely difficult to determine who's trying to mislead, who's being used, who's sincere, etc.
To me they all look sort of the same, all like the curate's egg.

Stef said...

Anybody knows anything about an Eric Hufschmid? He seems to have some sort of clan of followers and haters, especially amongst smelly "antizionist" types.

Hufschmid wrote the first decent 9/11 Conspiraloon reference - 'Painful Questions'

He then teamed up with ex-GCN talkshow host Daryl Bradford Smith who 'discovered' that Zionists are responsible for pretty much every bad thing that has ever happened in recorded history

They also picked up 9/11 researcher Christopher Bollyn along the way

Then they all fell out with each spectacularly. Each accusing the other of being a Zionist agent

Hufschmid has extended his anti-Zionism crusade to encompass all Jews and can now be considered politically slightly to the right of Hitler

Curiously, his half-sister is married to one of Rupert Murdoch's kids

Stef said...

Eric is also the leading exponent of talking about

- 9/11 scepticism
- The Apollo Hoax
- Holocaust denial

as a single package

Often working all three into a single sentence

He's an all or nothing sort of guy

and shifty as fuck

Edo said...

@ Stef

I recently went through that whole fall-out thing, and came to the conclusion that of the three, the only one I can still take seriously is DBS.

I especially found the 10 part timeline with Andrew Carrington Hitchcock on the Redshields v interesting.

Also seriously recommend reading "Stranger than Fiction" on the same site.

Stef said...

@edo

for all his faults, DBS at least sticks with the line that he's talking about a small number of people

Hufschmid is something else altogether

Edo said...

@stef

for all his faults, DBS at least sticks with the line that he's talking about a small number of people

And, I might add, he corrects things when his information is wrong. An admirable quality in a time of people trading their information for personal gain... (aka Alex Jones). It was AJ that got me interested in much of the wider picture, but the 'control grid this', and the 'NWO that' just kept ending in a dead end for me...

DBS angle, albeit often appearing as though he's making the story fit, there's little denying the vast influence political Zionism has had since Amstel Mayer Bauer's time. It's influence is consistent with many world events and the fact that there is so little open discussion about it doesn't mean he's not right, but maybe that he's not the charismatic, pragmatic messenger. I can live with that!

anon 22:41 said...

For serious info about Israel influence, no need to go the conspiraloon route.
Just read the excellent "The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy", by Mearsheimer&Walt. No speculation here, only facts.

Israel influence is not exactly conspiraloon stuff, it's more of a political/media taboo. A lot of suppression is going on.

Now your DBS guy seems to think that Jeff Rense is also an evil undercover zionist agent.

Like other monomaniac loons, he has valid points that he messes up with utter bollocks.

Stef said...

the likes of DBS, EH et al remind me of that character from Goodness Gracious Me who thinks everything's 'Indian'

and no I'm not denying the probable influence of a certain elitist interest group. There are signs all over the place. But it seems to me that it is just one of many

Edo said...

@ Anon (I see your name all over these blogs and forums...)

"For serious info about Israel influence, no need to go the conspiraloon route."

Yeah, right. That's pretty limiting. Like saying, if you want to know everything there is to know about Christianity, just read the bible.

"Israel influence is not exactly conspiraloon stuff, it's more of a political/media taboo. A lot of suppression is going on."

I beg to differ. Read that sentence again and see how ridiculous it is.

"Now your DBS guy seems to think that Jeff Rense is also an evil undercover zionist agent."

From my own observation, this isn't exactly true. I remember DBS saying that he had a problem with Rense giving space to highly questionable info (such as certain alien stuff) right next to quality information, leaving potentially interested readers questioning the quality info because of the obvious pap on there.

"Like other monomaniac loons, he has valid points that he messes up with utter bollocks."
So, now he has a psychiatric condition? I think you're well off the mark. Like I said on my earlier post, if you don't like the messenger, tough shit. What exactly are you saying is incorrect on his website. Give me an example and site (from your sources) alternative credible information.

Edo said...

the four stages of information suppression are:

1. Ignore it, and hope it goes away.
2. Infiltrate it, and change it from within
3. Character Assassination
4. Threat / Physical Action

paul said...

I think anyone are looking for a one stop retail supplier of truth is pretty much up a gum tree.
The best you can do is try to develop a nose for useful stuff and see how it tallies with the stories we are told. They're part of the information ecology, but what part, and how significant I can't say.

For me, the less lurid the source, the better.
The fall outs and factionalism are a distraction well worth ignoring.

I listened to that creepy cunt DBS once and found nothing of worth myself. EH is not to my taste either, but he did point me to the Kay Griggs interviews, which I did find eerily interesting, and consider they might well have more than a grain of truth about them.

lwtc247 said...

I do believe that these wannabe Messiahs do do harm - fair enough, but personally
I think ppl can see quite clearly through the 'wonderful' claims of DS/DI. And you are dead right, spectacular claims require spectaculat proof. DS and DI provide none, ergo Mr. I and Mr. S, here's YOUR coffee, just don't be offended when I tell you I'm reallynot interested in reptiles or Staffs of Arron.

Even if people believe DS is God,(!) I don't see how it stops people taking onboard factual aspects of 9-11 and 7-7 and demanding their government actually provide answers to the flood of questions about those murderous horrors. The amount of loons who believe in energy beams from space is quite low and I don't see anyone worshipping DS's gourd, or people digging up Ted Heaths grave in the hope of finding a reptilian skeletion. Conspiraloons/skeptics
may bave broken down the barrier of conventionality and sterile thinking, but that doesn't mean they have no mental fortitude left to stop praying to Shayler.

LC 2ed by Dylan Avery did have fancyful claims. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they let their imaginations run away with them acting I guess out of a feeling of urgency to tell the world. LC Final edition seems a lot tighter and had people like Ray McGovern and others who, although ex-CIA, really seems to really be on the side of loons, as do other intellectualls for 9-11 truth.

Even Amy Goodman (Democracy Now) is called a plant, yet thanks to her, people Steven Kinzer's research of US imperialism over the last 100+ years from Hawaii, Phillipines and Latin America, Iran, Panama etc, has gained global exposure, and I recommended one of his books to a 'justice' organization over here that hoseted a day seminar on State Sponsored Terror just before 11th Sept 07. Goodman has also given good exposure to a journalistic hero of mine, John Pilger. I've heard people say he too is questionable.

If Avery was a gatekeeper he's a bloody crap one. I'm sure LC-2ed has done a lot more to put questions in peoples minds than would otherwise have been the case, and I guess all spectics accept there were somewhat elaborate parts to that film. I can accept that 2ed was a work in progress i.e. flawed. What isn't (when it draws upon official newspapers and govt statements to show it's case)? OK Lc-2nd errors were more than that, but you know what I mean. Avery is after all... American.

One reason why I love your blog, as you often cautions about things-supposedly-loon and conventional-officialdom, you give a good balance but too much caution may be derisory.

"why some of the people/ outfits behind Loose Change have boosted it so enthusiastically" - I proposed a possible answer to this earlier... agents of the state will see a chink in the loons arguement and so promote the straw man only to try and burn it later (and there was quite a lot of smoke coming from LC 2ed and Avery himself).

As for Annie McMahon, she's way to hard to second guess, but until she gives a clear sign of being an agent-saboteur, I see no reason not to support her ( - as your wise words said earlier... while maintianing a distance
of course)



Michael Moore. The man before F9-11 used to run around dressed as a chicken exposing corporate crime on TV. Well done MM. Well done MM for spurring debate about the US (ill)health system via sicko. Bringing Bush's v. close relationship with the Sauds was also a good thing to do IMHO. Does all of Bush's cousins like him? Is a possible attempt at helping MM in film making make MM a stooge?


edo says "opposition to the controlling factors have ALWAYS been infiltrated with dupes, spies, subversives etc. All governments do it." - and I would absolutely agree, but it doesn't mean ALL apparent antiestablishmentarians work for TPTB.

Re: Zionism. It is Zionism, and pancerance to thereof, which lies pretty much atop the visible conventional pyramid of rotten things about the world today. And really, we dont' need to look further. It's there where eugenics and money meet. That tier has been making Tsunami's across the planet for over 100 years and pulling the financial strings in many ways for thousands of years. Feel the need to look further into exposing the Masons and so forth? - ask the ghost Hammad Hossam Mussa and the other thousands of other kids killed in the nucleus of Zion in recent years. That land is a land where nothing but the law of eugenic Zionism rules supreme. It has been rendered as untouchable to the outside goym world, supported whole-heartedly by filthy trecherous "Moose-lim" (they aint Muslim thats for sure) tyrants who crush the bones of they people they love to crap on, and the other goy's who as long as they get a slice of the fake $ pie action, see nothing wrong in their actions.

The supremicists are pulling the financial strongs of the western world. They have only one goal: to re-incarnate Zion for the ushering in of apocylapse. THAT is the NWO, and their actions are building up that very apocalypse right now. It is They who are bringing about the Final Solution and Holocausing the goys. If you give priority to men wearing suits and aprons, well... I appeal to you to open your eyes. So anon 22:41 It is the heart of loon stuff. Just hang on tight and ride the flack my good man. Too many are scared of Zioflack. Don't help them win from the offset.

"DBS saying that he had a problem with Rense giving space to highly questionable info (such as certain alien stuff) right next to quality information," - Exactly the same as DI and DS. Isn't the trick just to think of England when the potty stuff comes up? Rense provides top stuff. One doesn't have to read the alien stuff.

"leaving potentially interested readers questioning the quality info because of the obvious pap on there." - Let's be honest, people who merge alien stuff with separate articles on real world are rally rather silly then arn't they?

I think Mearsheimer (or was it Walt?) had a very intersting interview on Al Jazeera English (possibly on the program "Inside Iraq") with Norman Finkelstein (if it was Inside Iraq then it was hosted by Jasim Azawi. Sorry I can't link it (firewall problems)). If memory serves correct, Finklestein criticised M&W's report. The problem with loons is, that becasue some like Finkle, they'll go all defensive and start slanging off Mearsheimer. Great. It feels like another own goal has been scored.

If one tolerated dissent within the loonacy community, then the acts of the saboteur become pretty much useless. It's unquestionable faith that leads to these probs.

lwtc247 said...

"For me, the less lurid the source, the better." - I have much agreement with that, but say, Rense and Ickey do provide good info. Just need to apply the alien and reptile filter plugin when perusing.

As for the Kay Griggs vids, It was certainly the most intersting thing that happened to me that day.

Stef said...

@lwtc247

Just to be clear on a couple of points

- I don't personally believe there are that many knowing 'plants' in the alternative info world. What I do believe is that, for want of a better word, the 'system' selects and promotes the clay-footed

- I don't even believe all of that promotion is deliberate. When you have a system up and running it naturally favours people who are useful to that system

If you've ever been party to the workings of any large organisation you will have had an opportunity to see that process at work

As for the revelations made by some of the people you mention - these could simply be examples of limited hang outs intended to distract people from greater 'truths'

MM is a classic example - a hugely promoted film about 9/11 which said nothing about the inconsistencies of the official narrative of that day, essentially confirmed key elements of the official myth and which attempted to lay all the blame at the feet of the Saudis

lwtc247 said...

"that many knowing 'plants'....the 'system' selects and promotes the clay-footed...I don't even believe all of that promotion is deliberate...a system up and running it naturally favours people who are useful to that system" - I subscribe to all that.


"limited hang outs intended to distract people from greater 'truths'" - I also agree we must watch carefully for plants as their potential to werak havoc should not be underestimated, but along with that caution should be qunatized offerings of support, reappraised often.

F9-11 and MM might have supported the official myth of 9-11, but when F9-11 was being made there were still LOTS of people who hadn't come across critiques of the official conspiracy theory. The way to loonville can be slow one. Even if MM agrees with the official conspiracy to this day, his exposee of the millionares boys club deserves some praise.

Sauds 4 Bush, Bush 4 Zion. It is sometimes possible to judge one by the friends one keeps. International politics is one such case.

Thanks once again for precipitating such discussion.