Wednesday, July 25, 2007

Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed on State Sponsored Terror

Here's a link to an mp3 of a recent talk given by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed on the subject of state sponsored terror....

The man appears to have discovered his cojones and seems to be taking the line
'I don't care if someone labels me a conspiracy theorist this is what the evidence is telling me, so there!'

It's a longish talk and covers ground already well known to many Conspiraloons
but at the very least I recommend listening to the conclusion, starting round about the 64 minute mark.

Nafeez makes some very astute observations about the failure of 'The Left' in dealing with issues such as the invasion of Iraq and the domestic War on Terror. He makes the obvious, though rarely stated point, that even if in some fucking dream world Leftist activism led to the UK pulling out of Iraq that wouldn't do anything about dealing with the forces and interests that put us there in the first place

But, of course, the problem is that as soon as people start talking about the kind of covert geopolitical shenanigans our governments engage in and the motivations for those shenanigans they get labeled as conspiracy theorists and accused of mental illness. Not just, understandably, by the corporate mainstream media but, increasingly, by the (corporate?) Left.

Shame on them

Nafeez has a stab at a call to action but even by his own admission he has trouble thinking what that action could be - 'stretching the political system' by writing stiff letters of complaint to local Members of Parliament is about the best suggestion he can come up with

Hmmm, not convinced by that one

Our current system of governance is bust. I suspect terminally

To be honest I doubt if any real change will be effected until the numbers of people who understand what's going on in the world reaches a level where acts of mass civil disobedience become a viable proposition. It will happen sure enough but events, at home and abroad, will have to get a lot worse first

"Let's fuck shit up!"

when you've got the dollar falling through the floor, carrier groups sailing in all sorts of provocative places, homeland security chiefs with 'gut feelings' about imminent terrorist attacks and UK police chiefs talking about mass internment, rest assured it probably won't be a long wait

FWIW my personal opinion is that, in the meantime, people should concentrate on educating themselves and, wherever possible, other people and attempt to effect change person by person

...oh yeah, and telling Leftist (sic.) gatekeepers to go fuck themselves



Anonymous said...

Blog notes Italy's Invisible Governement [60 page pdf] gladio etc ...

Anonymous said...

sigh ... government (spell check bust).

Stef said...

A reading from the Holy Scripture of Urban75 - 'Ten Characteristics of conspiracy Theorists' #9...

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

Of course, if there were no historical precedents then the cunt who wrote the above would use that to prove that high-level conspiracies don't take place - heads I win, tails you lose

Stef said...


Stef said...

What pisses me off is that people talking or writing about these issues feel a constant need to explain that they are not one of those 'loonies'.

The labeling and shouting down of people who question authority and who are trying the exercise the kind of vigilance on which democracy depends has gone way too far and now encompasses virtually any dissenting point of view.

This bullshit attitude has a strong hold on the established Left to such an extent that free thinking Leftists are finding that they have more in common with Right Wing Libertarians than other Leftists

Methinks the time to ditch this Establishment-sanctioned Left vs Right bullshit and start from scratch has long past

paul said...

What do you think these likely lads should get?
a 'dhiren barot' (40 years + the boiling liquid treatment from our patriotic, ronnie barker style british lags)
or a 'Catherine Matchett'?

Stef said...

How on Earth have I managed to live life without knowing about Catherine Matchett until now?

She's only a visionary genius, that's all

AS for those Mirror guys they should count themselves lucky they weren't shot in the face nine times.

No, hang on a minute they were actually carrying something that could have been a bomb...

paul said...

Remember, our ingenious, indigenous Catherine did this before 9/11 changed 'everything' etc etc etc

paul said...

I think Catherine's story has been deliberately suppressed!?!! If everyone who couldn't be bothered with work followed her lead, this sceptered isle would be a smoking ruin overnight.

Anonymous said...

The best analysis technique I've seen on the net is Richard Heuer's Analysis of Competing Hypotheses. (CIA employee).

Here is an example of Deception Detection by Analysis of Competing Hypotheses [pdf 6 pages].

Anonymous said...

What is urban75? It's sounds a bit like Rachel North - the website.

My guess is its full of smug left wing tossers who believe in questioning authority but only if its within the narrow confines of the current 'democractic' political system (which of course is specifically designed to protect those with the real power from been scrutinised).

Left wingers who believe that a change of political parties or individuals will actually make things better are going to be waiting a long long time.

So two men conspired together to take fake bombs onto the London underground in order to make some sort of misguided political comment? Will they get life imprisonment too do you think...

Stef said...

With guessing abilities like that you really should think about buying some lottery tickets

Sophia said...

Great talk by Nafeez Ahmed. I will be linking to it. Thanks

Merkin said...

Well, Stef, very interesting for me.
I quoted from this article and linked to the site and received my very own blog troll.
First time for me.

Rory Winter said...

So UK Plods are now talking about mass internment, huh? I wondered how long it would be before they did.

But I missed the news, Stef, being away from the PC for a break.

Have you a link to any relevant articles where plods talk about mass internment?


Rory Winter said...

BTW, don't let anyone dishearten you with the pejorative use of the word conspiracy. Wherever there are human beings you find conspiracies.

Mainstream propaganda is a conspiracy, state militarist propaganda is a conspiracy. Shit, the State IS a conspiracy against the people!

These ill-educated arseholes who try to use words like 'conspiracy' as a weapon are themselves either so brain-washed by what's going on and/or have a vested interested in its conspiracies are responsible for corrupting the language and turning it into Newspeak.

Whether in or outside the internment camps, Fight them!

Stef, you write "Methinks the time to ditch this Establishment-sanctioned Left vs Right bullshit and start from scratch has long past."

Too bloody right. Go for it!


Stef said...


The interment rumours are not 'new' news they've been bouncing around for almost a year now e.g.

paul said...

Chatham house rules, where would we be without them?

Stef said...


Nice trolling going on over at your blog

I'm impressed