Tuesday, October 21, 2008

I have seen the face of God...

and today's whimsical retro film clip comes from Network...




People of a certain age, my age, grew up with stuff like this. Not that it changed anything...

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19 comments:

The Underdoug said...

Delightful.

"Why me?"

"Because you're on television, dummy"

Plus ca change.

Stef said...

It is indeed quality stuff

What it, and most other infotainment of its ilk, conspicuously failed to do was mention the role played by the banksters in all of this

I, and I suspect one or two others, spent the better part of the next 20 years thinking the likes of Exxon, Union Carbide and Coca Cola were responsible for all the world's ills when, in fact, they're just the delivery boys

Stef said...

...though, in fairness to Lumet, if he had mentioned the banksters his movie would never have been made

paul said...

It might not have changed anything, but steeping your nut in this sort of stuff certainly changed me.

Anonymous said...

I was just wondering if anyone believes in destiny?
www.GodYesOrNo.com

Stef said...

One of the biggest internal contradictions of organised monotheistic religions is that they...

a) hold that all individuals are created with free will and conscience and are therefore accountable and will be judged on the basis of the decisions they make

and

b) teach that God regularly intervenes in human affairs and has decreed how things will turn out thousands of years in advance

Of course, most atheists believe something very similar and know that once they have enough computing power they will be able to model everything that has been and will be

Actually, I'm hard put to think of any belief system that doesn't include a belief in destiny in some shape or form and if you bump into anyone who denies that it'd be kind of interesting to ask them how they plan to become immortal

paul said...

If you look at the universe as a biological version of the sims created in seven days, then predestination would make it rather boring for the creator.

Stef said...

as it happens, with the exception of the seven days bit, I currently do

Stef said...

and, though I've only tried it once, The Sims gameplay does veer to the dull side after a while doesn't it?

paul said...

Yeah, I forgot he took a kip on the seventh day

paul said...

The only computer game I have ever played was called rainbow island on the wonderful amiga, so I can't really comment.
It was quite nice but I fear the body count was too low for current gamerzzz.

Stef said...

more than compensated for by its jaunty graphics

Stef said...

hmmm, from Network to Rainbow Islands

that's an interesting path to personal enlightenment

paul said...

To gain enlightenment we must attend to both the Apollonian and the Dionysian.

lwtc247 said...

I think I've seen another clip from that movie. The 'dummy' urges people on a broadcast infront of a live studio audience(ahem) to turn off the TV and warns of its evils.

Good quality advice.

lwtc247 said...

Aaah but Stef (21 October 2008 13:13) my dear friend, there is no contradiction between free will, pre-deterrmination and dynamism other than that which the limitations of the human mind erect as barriers to frustrate conception of a solution.

Unfortunately our educational institutions, and structured society in general, provide little in the way of encouragement to contemplate such a position.

It is an endless source of amusement that any aspect or consequence of God could possibly be properly grasped by the human brain, - an organ the size of a rather small melon.

Watch out, Dawkins's about

Pascals gambit still holds. Interesting post here.

lwtc247 said...

http://www.answers.com/topic/pascal-s-wager

not too bad either

Anonymous said...

Thought of the scene from Network when otherwise normal education blokes started ramming cars into airport terminals and such. I thought about Finch telling his viewers to open the window, put their heads outside and shout, "I'm as angry as hell and I just can't take it anymore."

Well, that was then (70s): terrorism is now.

Anonymous said...

er, that should be 'educated' rather than 'education'

Anyway, talking of people wasting their lives in front of the tv, here's what Clay Shirky has to say on the matter.