tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post114072316439632773..comments2023-10-18T16:25:13.593+01:00Comments on Famous for 15 megapixels: Nazi Popes and historical revisionismStefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-21726101230928946352007-03-04T02:21:00.000+00:002007-03-04T02:21:00.000+00:00re. the supposed mass - it was a mass proposed for...re. the supposed mass - it was a mass proposed for <I>all</I> dead Germans who died in the war, not just Hitler, was never held and wasn't proposed by Pius anyway<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2xtzxn<BR/><BR/>re. Project Paperclip - that was post Holocaust, when everyone in the West decided that Communism was the greatest evil and that's one for the US Government to answer and no I'm not impressed that the US gave a home to scientists like von Braun who worked very hard at flattening my home city with their rockets, Gentiles and Jews alike<BR/><BR/>re. complicity with Nazis - this crowd has a lot more to answer for than the Vatican...<BR/><BR/>www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html<BR/><BR/>Stef Zucconi<BR/>London Mar 4, 2007Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-58110290802823866792007-03-04T00:42:00.000+00:002007-03-04T00:42:00.000+00:00Okay, so you don't think the Pope was involved in ...Okay, so you don't think the Pope was involved in the events in Germany or connected to the Nazi party. What about the special mass the Pope said for Hitler when he was reportedly dead? Oh, that. And what about the Nazis who travelled to the United States (Project Paper Clip) and other countries on Vatican passports? Minor details. Probably he was not implicit.<BR/><BR/>Kathy Beuthin <BR/>Monterey CA<BR/>Mar 3 2007Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-1140968359728263232006-02-26T15:39:00.000+00:002006-02-26T15:39:00.000+00:00I can't help but think of the repression of Jim Al...I can't help but think of the repression of Jim Allen's play 'Perdition' at the Royal Court back in 1987.<BR/><BR/>By the time Perdition was scheduled to open all tickets had been sold, yet 36 hours before opening the play was axed by Max Stafford-Clark, Artistic Director of the Royal Court Theatre. The actors and the Director, Ken Loach, were informed just as they were preparing for the dress rehearsal. Jim Allen was in Manchester when Stafford-Clark's phone call came:<BR/><BR/> "I am pulling the play. Not because it contains any inaccuracies, or is in any way anti-Semitic, but because it might cause distress among some members of the Jewish community "(personal notes). Ken Loach appropriately points out that the stated reason for the ban ('going ahead would cause great distress to sections of the community') was quite inadequate:<BR/><BR/> Plays about fascism have caused distress in Germany, but does that mean they should be censored? Stafford-Clark himself staged a play about the Falklands war in Plymouth despite local objections about 'distress'. Of course, he was not fighting such powerful opposition there (Ken Loach & Andrew Homung, 'Censorship & Perdition', New Statesman, 20 February 1987).<BR/>http://www.weissmandl.org/Book_Text/Uri_Davis/CrossingTheBorder_pt1.htm<BR/><BR/>The play was based on Lenni Brenners book 'Zionism in the Age of the Dictators', an historical investigation into the role of the Zionist leaders and their complicity in the Holocaust.<BR/>http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/index.htm<BR/><BR/>Zionism convicts itself. On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:<BR/><BR/> "Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition, which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own tradition. Zionism recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend, symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear, which it seeks to overcome by carrying out its challenge to transform Jewish life completely.<BR/><BR/> "It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims at a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry--indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions.<BR/><BR/> "Zionism believes that a rebirth of national life, such as is occurring in German life through adhesion to Christian and national values, must also take place in the Jewish national group. For the Jew, too, origin, religion, community of fate and group consciousness must be of decisive significance in the shaping of his life. This means that the egotistic individualism which arose in the liberal era must be overcome by public spiritedness and by willingness to accept responsibility."<BR/><BR/>Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany."<BR/><BR/>Avraham Stern and his followers announced that<BR/><BR/> "The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:<BR/><BR/> 1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.<BR/><BR/> 2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,<BR/><BR/> 3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.<BR/><BR/> Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."<BR/>http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html<BR/><BR/>Makes me think how History is always the history of the Victors and how little we know of what really went on, then as well as now.Bridgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04220942517267393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-1140774125848107222006-02-24T09:42:00.000+00:002006-02-24T09:42:00.000+00:00Good post.I dated an American Jew a few years back...Good post.<BR/><BR/>I dated an American Jew a few years back. One day she starts telling me that all Europeans are anti-Semites and that Britain was complicit or didn't do enough to help the European Jews; I became quite close to belting her as my Father fought in WW2, he still had nightmares in his 80s. Truth is Britain could never have defended the bombing of a camp and besides people overestimate the technical feasibility, only 30% of factory bombings were successful (they are much larger targets) and such a raid would require an all-night return flight across occupied territory with enemy air-superiority. Hitting railway lines as some suggest is a fantasy scenario. My Father was a professional soldier and I was brought up with military history and an extensive home library. I find it disturbing that many people seem to be re-writing history with a new political slant and nobody is noticing.Wolfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05820269114208456064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-1140739049136351322006-02-23T23:57:00.000+00:002006-02-23T23:57:00.000+00:00While I'm not much interested by his recent exposu...While I'm not much interested by his recent exposure (Irving has been in the denial business for decades) it is worth remembering that only totalarian regimes need "Official History".<BR/><BR/>The term Holocaust itself is usually reserved for the one event, which wasn't one event. The statistics and the efficiency are what seperate it out from other war atrocities. <BR/><BR/>I think fighting a war against a nation is a fairly strong statement that you don't agree with them. Well, it used to be.DEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13468138772103258101noreply@blogger.com