tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post5276191921535112097..comments2023-10-18T16:25:13.593+01:00Comments on Famous for 15 megapixels: Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and GrubbStefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-55713698578277683692007-07-16T20:13:00.000+01:002007-07-16T20:13:00.000+01:00forgot to sayat the end of the day it was only a c...forgot to say<BR/><BR/>at the end of the day it was only a car fire (we get loads of them) against a building. ok there was a bomb on board. but it turned out to be a fiasco as per usual given there were certain agency's/people looking to further their own goals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-31503510393304461752007-07-16T20:11:00.000+01:002007-07-16T20:11:00.000+01:00stef,the airport fs do not turn out to terminal in...stef,<BR/>the airport fs do not turn out to terminal incidents as of 2003 or there abouts as they used to hav a appliance that covered the terminal but done away with it to save money. looks like that was a bad idea. so the local authority now hav full responsibility to cover the airport.<BR/><BR/>as for appliances having only water ... no they dont but it takes time to set up foam equipment. so the crew fought the fire with water which can be done. (petrol can be extinguished with a high presure watrer spray)<BR/><BR/>then foam equipment was used to kill the flames. the use of the reels did enought to halt the spread and allow the other crews to get the equip set up.<BR/><BR/>as for the tv film coverage being looped that aint the brigades fault. seen it before loads of times when a story breaks they loop it till they get move tape in.<BR/><BR/>finally ta for agreeing the guys did do their best given the dificult situation they faced considering they werent told the full story of what they were going to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-59100100357736954842007-07-15T21:29:00.000+01:002007-07-15T21:29:00.000+01:00First offI can't speak for anyone else but I would...First off<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't dream of casting aspersions on the bravery or commitment of any individual firemen. Absolutely no way<BR/><BR/>Nor do I pretend to have expertise when it comes to putting out serious fires<BR/><BR/>And I'll take you at your word that you were on that watch<BR/><BR/>But are you actually saying that an appliance only fitted with water was the first appliance on the scene? Where were the airport crew?<BR/><BR/>On top of that the account given by this guy...<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/3xs3cc<BR/><BR/>doesn't <I>seem</I> to square with what you are saying happened<BR/><BR/>but that's all by the by<BR/><BR/>What pisses me off is not what the fire crews did or did not do that day. Like I said I don't doubt the bravery of our firemen for a second<BR/><BR/>What does piss me off is the media coverage given to that fire. That short clip of a blazing car and a couple of water hoses was looped time after time as part of the hysterical media coverage of that event.<BR/><BR/>It wasn't me that made the firefighting operation look shit on television, that's down to the news editorsStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-53172578233100852592007-07-15T21:06:00.000+01:002007-07-15T21:06:00.000+01:00being part of the watch that attended the incident...being part of the watch that attended the incident at glasgow airport i think u lot should either shut up or put up when it comes to putting fires out.<BR/><BR/>the crews knew on arrival that there were gas cylinders involved. <BR/><BR/>so dont approach the fire <BR/><BR/>hit it with the first readly available of medium (water from hosereels) till a better medium is available (foam).<BR/><BR/>this is what happend. end result 1 burnt oot car and 1 airport with very little damage considering the possibilities.<BR/><BR/>even the bomb squad wouldn't hav tried to put the fire out knowing that there was a bomb in the car but the firefighters who first attended did.<BR/><BR/>so moan away u so call firefighting experts try and give some credit to the guys who had the bottle to stand and fight the fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-53664356040019523782007-07-13T01:14:00.000+01:002007-07-13T01:14:00.000+01:00Does anyone around here study semiotics?Was the Po...<I>Does anyone around here study semiotics?</I><BR/><BR/>Was the Pope a member of the Hitler Youth?Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-67567129605562077092007-07-07T10:34:00.000+01:002007-07-07T10:34:00.000+01:00Another one, then I shut up :-)<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIDW-N6LqUE" REL="nofollow">Another one</A>, then I shut up :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-27444967465564631432007-07-07T10:25:00.000+01:002007-07-07T10:25:00.000+01:00Yes, I think the the people talking to the press w...Yes, I think the the people talking to the press were exaggerating the situation (as in lying). People dependent on funds do that (see climate debate).<BR/><BR/>I just quickly searched for gas fire videos and found these two: <A HREF="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2031038297" REL="nofollow">Highly directional flames</A> (same as in Glasgow, in my opinion) and until the gas is turned of (or runs out) <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BCde6ZY4C0" REL="nofollow">there is not much sense in putting out a gas fire</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-37914094656374685392007-07-07T00:05:00.000+01:002007-07-07T00:05:00.000+01:00@tonyIf that was the case and the firemen were con...@tony<BR/><BR/>If that was the case and the firemen were confident that the fire represented a small, containable threat then the Head of UK Anti-Terror was lying the previous day when he claimed that the car bombs could have caused hundred of casualties<BR/><BR/>Someone is bullshitting here<BR/><BR/>(see also my following post on a BBC story that claimed that foam was used before water was poured on the car - do you see any in the video?)Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-39345601156599902732007-07-06T21:52:00.000+01:002007-07-06T21:52:00.000+01:00As you can see here, the gas cylinders are torched...<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2116709,00.html" REL="nofollow">As you can see here</A>, the gas cylinders are torched at the top. And the video of the fire looks not like a petrol fire to me. And I would say that means the gas cylinders were acting like oversized camping lights... But then again, I'm not an expert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-79244595524083276782007-07-06T14:59:00.000+01:002007-07-06T14:59:00.000+01:00Perhaps it has something do with the way you tell ...Perhaps it has something do with the <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6277300.stm" REL="nofollow">way you tell 'em.</A><BR/><BR/>Interesting (!) <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2120138,00.html" REL="nofollow">this story</A> of the cops spraying CS gas - flammable? - on the blazing man.Bridgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04220942517267393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-60713632735462534652007-07-06T13:09:00.000+01:002007-07-06T13:09:00.000+01:00I think if remote viewing worked, the good peopl...I think if remote viewing worked, the good people in the pornographic industries would have made it available by nowpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608591025225519578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-33896264685056391592007-07-06T10:26:00.000+01:002007-07-06T10:26:00.000+01:00Does anyone around here study semiotics?"Semiotics...Does anyone around here study <A HREF="http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/semiotic.html" REL="nofollow">semiotics</A>?<BR/><BR/>"<I>Semiotics is important because it can help us not to take 'reality' for granted as something having a purely objective existence which is independent of human interpretation. It teaches us that reality is a system of signs. Studying semiotics can assist us to become more aware of reality as a construction and of the roles played by ourselves and others in constructing it. It can help us to realize that information or meaning is not 'contained' in the world or in books, computers or audio-visual media. Meaning is not 'transmitted' to us - we actively create it according to a complex interplay of codes or conventions of which we are normally unaware. Becoming aware of such codes is both inherently fascinating and intellectually empowering. We learn from semiotics that we live in a world of signs and we have no way of understanding anything except through signs and the codes into which they are organized. Through the study of semiotics we become aware that these signs and codes are normally transparent and disguise our task in 'reading' them. Living in a world of increasingly visual signs, we need to learn that even the most 'realistic' signs are not what they appear to be. By making more explicit the codes by which signs are interpreted we may perform the valuable semiotic function of 'denaturalizing' signs. In defining realities signs serve ideological functions. Deconstructing and contesting the realities of signs can reveal whose realities are privileged and whose are suppressed. The study of signs is the study of the construction and maintenance of reality. To decline such a study is to leave to others the control of the world of meanings which we inhabit.</I>"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-76587721452574703952007-07-06T05:23:00.000+01:002007-07-06T05:23:00.000+01:00Just a comment but I did wonder whether the bombs ...Just a comment but I did wonder whether the bombs failing to go off - yet again - might me for the same reasons that sometimes the IRA's didn't - cops/MI5 etc had tampered with them beforehand. But then as they apparently parked illegally maybe they were just incompetent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-10210776059377387482007-07-06T04:34:00.000+01:002007-07-06T04:34:00.000+01:00stef.When I first heard of the "London car bums" t...stef.<BR/>When I first heard of the "London car bums" the conspirator in me suspeced Bushs Brain at work, to get Lockerbie out of the headlines. I stated at the time, {damn, cant find out where I wrote it} that I wouldn't be surprized if another Al-Kaida sequel would come out soon afterwards. And guess who pops up? why Mr Militant himself. ( Zawahri ). 5th July, a few days later.<BR/>http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070704/<BR/>tpl-uk-qaeda-video-43a8d4f.html<BR/><BR/>Maybe coincidence, but I'm bored with multiple, contantly reoccuring coincidences by now.<BR/><BR/>As for the fire being put out unusually slowly, maybe, but I think the assessed the situation as not needing to have the fire put out so rapidly.<BR/><BR/>You are right about certian extinguishers. They can kill flames within seconds. And if there is no oxygen then the heat would not cause it to re-ignite, but, if there gas pressure differentials involved, then completely cutting off O2 would be difficult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-38291065586570859872007-07-06T02:55:00.000+01:002007-07-06T02:55:00.000+01:00Sorry, the RV Course as advertised is $300 not pou...Sorry, the RV Course as advertised is $300 not pounds. I am tempted to try it to improve my obviously inaccurate attempts which seem to get personalities mixed-up.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the reason for this is not only because RV transcends time & space but depends on thought forms as much as specific events.<BR/><BR/>In that sense the thought form would be almost identical shared by Dame Eliza, her successor and the rest of the government goons ;^)Rory Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05576969819210177312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-40771901504643006332007-07-06T00:36:00.000+01:002007-07-06T00:36:00.000+01:00@shutter - RV transcends both space and time and i...@shutter - RV transcends both space and time and is not a precise science - no doubt Rory's experience included elements of an earlier incident<BR/><BR/>all things considered, his results are still a shit load more reliable than the more conventional intelligence sources used to draw us into a certain little warStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-90608398953359177102007-07-06T00:31:00.000+01:002007-07-06T00:31:00.000+01:00@tony - it was a petrol not a gas based fire (see ...@tony - it was a petrol not a gas based fire (see shutter's post above) and unlike an oil well fire it was not under pressure<BR/><BR/>it was a rubbish little fire that even left the tyres on the jeep intact - the firemen were either fucking around, knew the fire presented no threat or were told to go easy. None of these explanations are in accordance with the coverage given to the incidentStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-87583341780736745002007-07-05T21:59:00.000+01:002007-07-05T21:59:00.000+01:00@Stef: Fuel is a liquid and can be covered with fo...@Stef: Fuel is a liquid and can be covered with foam. Escaping and burning gas doesn't care much about what you do with it, unless you liquify it. And for that, you would need to massively cool it down or massively increase the pressure (and that, no firefighter on earth can do...).<BR/><BR/>Oh well, one more thing would be to blow it out with one of those airplane-engine-powered things they used to blow out the burning oil wells after the Gulf War. But then you would blow the poor little burning jeep across Glasgow airport...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-28903498694847950632007-07-05T17:54:00.000+01:002007-07-05T17:54:00.000+01:00... forgot to mention that what was missing in all...... forgot to mention that what was missing in all the coverage so far available publicly (still / live) were those fresh faced young schoolboys they call policement these days with their Heckler Koch's who seem to be present everywhere in airports. Nor do they . Nor do they rush up fukll tilt whispering into their radios or squeeze 13 bullets into the head of the blazing driver or his mate just in time before his explosive weskit blows up and showers West Scotland with Dirty radioactive death rays, Anthrax, botulin, Bird Flu, Ricin, osmium tetroxide.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally a senior officer in a large Regional Fire Service assures us that it is almost impossible to blow up gas cylinders because they are overdesigned - simply because it is assumed they will be used and operated by dunces in dwellings, campsites, workshops.<BR/><BR/>Therefore the gas they contain in liquid form cannot produce sufficient when gasified to fracture it, the basal weld is so designed that if it does the base plate will go , thus minimising chance of shrapnel being projected sideways.<BR/><BR/>Hence the very casual way the burnt / singed cylinders were left on site by the jeep for hours as they posed no threat whatsoever to the SOCO team.zizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249645812407323273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-34740009476319153212007-07-05T17:28:00.000+01:002007-07-05T17:28:00.000+01:00"On the Friday the Head of Anti (sic.) Terror at t..."On the Friday the Head of Anti (sic.) Terror at the Met was talking about potential 'carnage' and hundreds of casualties "<BR/><BR/>He is very adept in using the Monbiot calculus (c) - Think of a number , make it bigger, if dead, make it even bigger, if only potentially dead, make even more bigger.<BR/><BR/>Rory I don't wish to be too critical but your RV is shite. Liz ...er ... Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller left MI5 at the end of April (to spend more time with her foundation garments she told me).<BR/><BR/>A chap called Jonathan Evans took over who used to help organise the state employed terrist in Northern Ireland for many years.<BR/><BR/>I can well believe he could have taken part in such a conversation but calling himself Liz and wearing a dress ... hmmm .... you may be right after all... some funny people swan about in the lounge bar of the Horse Guards Hotel ... sooooo convenient for their offices in the MOD.<BR/><BR/>Remembers old Joke, Why do Guardsmen where such long boots ... well sheep shaggers wear wellies and ...zizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249645812407323273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-14492871165361889562007-07-05T15:08:00.000+01:002007-07-05T15:08:00.000+01:00I've found a site where you can enrol for a RV cou...I've found a site where you can enrol for a RV course for £300. Not having that sum I just use my imagination. Probably not far off the truth!<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be good if we truth bloggers could all train in RV and then report on what the 'leaders' are up to?<BR/><BR/>On second thoughts, we've got a pretty fair idea what they're doing so why bother?<BR/><BR/>Stef's use of humour is a much better weapon!Rory Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05576969819210177312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-81928870068179341432007-07-05T14:19:00.000+01:002007-07-05T14:19:00.000+01:00& is the charging under the OSA of Met Police coun...& is the charging under the <B>OSA</B> of Met Police counter-terrorism civilian officer <A HREF="http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=1912" REL="nofollow">Thomas Lack-Lund</A> associated in any way with these Iraq/al-Qaida (so we're told) connected events?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-59724136544440906242007-07-05T12:27:00.000+01:002007-07-05T12:27:00.000+01:00Also interesting that the UK Arson prevention bure...Also interesting that the UK Arson prevention bureau states that:<BR/>If you believe it is safe, attempt to<BR/>put out the fire with a dry powder<BR/>or foam extinguisher. If the fire is in<BR/>the engine compartment, do not<BR/>open the bonnet but aim the dry<BR/>powder or foam through the radiator<BR/>grille or under the edge of the<BR/>bonnet. Use with caution and, if in<BR/>doubt, do not attempt to tackle<BR/>the fire<BR/>● Never use water on an engine fire - it<BR/>can short out wiring and spread<BR/>burning petrol with disastrous effect<BR/><BR/>Was that dry powder coming out of the hoses or foam? or is it just that it was cold in Glasgow that day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-88924083117610070622007-07-05T12:06:00.000+01:002007-07-05T12:06:00.000+01:00@ rory w.impressive RV skills - I'm jealousand as ...@ rory w.<BR/><BR/>impressive RV skills - I'm jealous<BR/><BR/>and as those skills have so rightly revealed the War on, sorry, on Terror is tricky one to fight - requiring as it does that our leaders big up the daily risk we all face from being blown to pieces but, at the same time, not in such a way that they appear to be incompetent<BR/><BR/>scary but not <I>too</I> scaryStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-22393810790273932212007-07-05T12:00:00.000+01:002007-07-05T12:00:00.000+01:00@tony/ wolfiemany moons ago I watched a fire fight...@tony/ wolfie<BR/><BR/>many moons ago I watched a fire fighting demo at an RAF base where a fuel based fire was blanketed in foam and put out in about 2 seconds<BR/><BR/>so, I with rory #2 on this one<BR/><BR/>And, sadly, it wasn't just the BBC which was hyping the threat of these bombs. On the Friday the Head of Anti (sic.) Terror at the Met was talking about potential 'carnage' and hundreds of casualtiesStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.com