tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post4608527610394077247..comments2023-10-18T16:25:13.593+01:00Comments on Famous for 15 megapixels: They don’t like it up ‘emStefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-5316585137024571022007-03-11T01:13:00.000+00:002007-03-11T01:13:00.000+00:00heheI think everyone is full of shit, including me...hehe<BR/><BR/>I think <I>everyone</I> is full of shit, including me.<BR/><BR/>Flaws there were aplenty. The program was unashamedly polemical and clearly intended to jiggle people up a little. That is, after all, the established style for shows <I>advocating</I> Man Made Climate Change. Sauce for the goose and all that...<BR/><BR/>Couldn't agree with you more re. absolutism and truth BTWStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-10861827079511648572007-03-11T00:20:00.000+00:002007-03-11T00:20:00.000+00:00OK Stef, I've just seen the video.I really enjoyed...OK Stef, I've just seen the video.<BR/><BR/>I really enjoyed it, great entertainment with lots of very good points but some flaws too.<BR/><BR/>I'll try and find some time to write something about my thoughts - unfortunately I'm rather busy at the moment with other things.<BR/><BR/>Don't expect a rebuttal though, I don't believe in absolutes. Which is why I'd suggest you get your sceptical hat on too because some of those scientists were a little too sure of themselves so be true seekers of truth. The truth has a disappointing habit of being somewhere in between what we would like and what we don't think is the answer.Wolfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05820269114208456064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-35204316872071663322007-03-10T23:01:00.000+00:002007-03-10T23:01:00.000+00:00FrankI appreciate you were referring to the title ...Frank<BR/><BR/>I appreciate you were referring to the title of the documentary. <BR/><BR/>And re. the title of the documentary, the producer has certainly been up front about that...<BR/><BR/>www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2948/<BR/><BR/><I>‘I wanted to call it “Apocalypse My Arse”, but in the end we decided on “The Great Global Warming Swindle”. It’s a provocative title, which helps with ratings.’</I><BR/><BR/>re. hidden agendas<BR/><BR/>very possible, probable even - though that would, of course, be a conspiracy theory ;) - but that possibility cuts both ways...<BR/><BR/>there are all sorts of individuals, NGOs, foundations and think tanks pursuing what I believe to be an elitist, anti-human agenda behind the shield of global warming. Ditto for Make Poverty History, Stop the War and all those other ostensibly grass roots movements that don't seem to be scaring the people who should be scared very much at allStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-58109840673426027332007-03-10T21:52:00.000+00:002007-03-10T21:52:00.000+00:00Stef,By the title I meant the documentary title ra...Stef,<BR/><BR/>By the title I meant the documentary title rather than the post title - I mean the accusation of a swindle is not supported by anything like the level of evidence such an extraordinary claim would require. I'm not totally convinced about AGW, but I think this program was obvious propaganda and tosh although the greenpeace guy was interesting and also funny.<BR/><BR/>Here I should disclaim that I only saw the 1st hour of the program - partly because I thought it was only going to be an hour long, partly because I had to get up early the next day, and partly because I'd seen enough. I will watch the whole thing again sometime but I really wasn't impressed with what I did see.<BR/><BR/>Yes there are some fair points to be made about the ad hominem on both sides but at the same time when the likes of Prof Lindzen sets himself up as an authority it's fair enough to question that. Especially when as far as I can see the guy is a moron.<BR/><BR/>That said there is always the noble opposition on any issue. I would regard you as such but not the people behind, and in some cases on, this documentary. There are some murmurings that at least one of them was misled as to the type of program they would be on. Anyway maybe we'll get some discussion of the issues but I wouldn't hold my breath, not even if it reduces CO2 emissions :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-50898391852440665112007-03-10T20:30:00.000+00:002007-03-10T20:30:00.000+00:00Re. KyotoAgreed - there's no way developing nation...Re. Kyoto<BR/><BR/>Agreed - there's no way developing nations would have signed up if exemptions weren't on the table<BR/><BR/>And it doesn't take much scratching around to establish that a minority, but a vociferous minority, of the environmental movement has a hard on for 'managed' development and population control. Three guesses which parts of the world will be expected to bear the brunt of thatStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-10721745564364273822007-03-10T20:29:00.000+00:002007-03-10T20:29:00.000+00:00FrankI'm on the 'wrong' side of this Man Made Glob...Frank<BR/><BR/>I'm on the 'wrong' side of this Man Made Global Warming thing and because of that I am acutely conscious that we 'deniers' have been fair game for the old ad hominem treatment. And it was extremely gratifying to see just a smidge of the same kind of bile going the other way - that's why I gave my post the title that I did.<BR/><BR/>Was the documentary fair, balanced and above reproach? Nope, but it did raise some important questions about Global Warming and from the comments I've seen over the last couple of days it has encouraged at least a few people to check some of the data out for themselves rather than relying on the word of journalists, especially Guardian journalists - two or three of which have hardly covered themselves in glory in their responses to the programStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-8554483374549914062007-03-10T19:27:00.000+00:002007-03-10T19:27:00.000+00:00Stef,"The ad hominen attack I linked to above was ...Stef,<BR/><BR/>"The ad hominen attack I linked to above was written by an ‘environmental journalist’ who was clearly stung by the suggestion that her breed have a vested interest in promoting climate change. "<BR/><BR/>Um, that's an ad hominem attack. Much of the 'documentary' was an ad hominem attack. The *title* of it is an ad hominem attack.<BR/><BR/>"It’s a shame about all those poor souls in the developing world though – the Greater Good demands that they can’t burn any of their oil or coal, build any hydro projects or develop nuclear power."<BR/><BR/>Actually Kyoto exempts developing countries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-37958101957487026012007-03-10T10:48:00.000+00:002007-03-10T10:48:00.000+00:00Nope - that was part of a short-lived "enviro-crim...Nope - that was part of a short-lived "enviro-crime" labeling initiative undertaken by Lambeth Council a couple of years ago.<BR/><BR/>It made a differenceStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-3845587514131899722007-03-10T10:11:00.000+00:002007-03-10T10:11:00.000+00:00Er, Stef. The notice on the matress? Is it a hoa...Er, Stef. The notice on the matress? Is it a hoax?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-50570737951634087582007-03-09T21:15:00.001+00:002007-03-09T21:15:00.001+00:00TonySounds like a reasonable position to me and on...Tony<BR/><BR/>Sounds like a reasonable position to me and one I personally agree with<BR/><BR/>I haven't owned a car for the last 15 years. Waste and pollution piss me off more than most people.<BR/><BR/>But that is no reason to embrace what may very well be a 'noble' lie and the people who promote that lieStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-46776899981344939402007-03-09T20:58:00.000+00:002007-03-09T20:58:00.000+00:00I don't know who is right, but I'm trying to chang...I don't know who is right, but I'm trying to change my life, I have gotten rid of my car and I am trying to consume not as much. Even if you are right, I will no longer fuel the Oil-War-Multinationals-Consum-Capitalism-Shitcycle - at least not as much as I used to. Even if all the scientists should change their tune on their global-warming-song, I will try not to cosume "like stupid" in the future.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656677562262684318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8225855.post-87035968166007214122007-03-09T19:28:00.000+00:002007-03-09T19:28:00.000+00:00Hi Stef, I have it recorded in beautiful MPEG2 cla...Hi Stef, I have it recorded in beautiful MPEG2 clarity but have not as yet had time to watch it so I won't comment right now. Sounds very interesting judging by your post - I look forward to it.Wolfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05820269114208456064noreply@blogger.com